Is the one who commits the act of the people of Lut punished by a fixed punishment (hadd) or a discretionary punishment (ta'zir)?
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The student: ....
The Shaykh : Ta'zir, meaning? These are the ones who say that there is no hadd; they say that they are left to be given ta'zir, even the one who drinks urine and feces is given ta'zir.
The student: ...
The Shaykh : We do not know anymore... Do they think that it is sufficient? Naturally, they think that ta'zir reaches the limit of killing, or not? Because reaching the limit of killing with ta'zir is not agreed upon; it is not agreed upon.
The student:.....
The Shaykh : There is a punishment... it will come to us, if Allah wills, in the Qur'an soon. Now, the important thing is that we have finished this benefit, which is His saying:
The Shaykh : Ta'zir, meaning? These are the ones who say that there is no hadd; they say that they are left to be given ta'zir, even the one who drinks urine and feces is given ta'zir.
The student: ...
The Shaykh : We do not know anymore... Do they think that it is sufficient? Naturally, they think that ta'zir reaches the limit of killing, or not? Because reaching the limit of killing with ta'zir is not agreed upon; it is not agreed upon.
The student:.....
The Shaykh : There is a punishment... it will come to us, if Allah wills, in the Qur'an soon. Now, the important thing is that we have finished this benefit, which is His saying: