Reading from the author's text with commentary and collation of manuscripts: "And the scholars agreed on what the Sunnah established,
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The reader: "And the scholars agreed on what the Sunnah established, that it is not prescribed to touch or kiss the Station of Ibrahim, which Allah the Exalted mentioned in the Qur'an, and He said: [Al-Baqarah 2:125]. If this is based on the mass-transmitted Sunnah and the consensus of the Imams, that it is not prescribed to kiss it with the mouth or wipe it with the hand"
The Shaykh : I have "it is not prescribed, neither kissing it with the mouth nor"
The reader: A manuscript indicated it, O Shaykh.
The Shaykh : A second manuscript?
The Reciter: Yes.
The Shaykh : Very well.
The reader: "nor wiping it with the hand, so other stations of the prophets are even more deserving of not being kissed with the mouth or wiped with the hand"
The Shaykh : This is also evidence that touching (istilam) is not placing the hand on the corner; touching is wiping, so wiping is necessary. Placing one's hand on the stone or on the Yemeni corner without wiping it means one has not followed the Sunnah. The Sunnah is wiping, and the Salaf called circumambulation (tawaf) wiping. Yes.
The reader: "Also, the place where the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) used to pray in the Prophet's city of Madinah regularly, none of the Salaf used to touch it or kiss it, nor the places where he prayed in Makkah and elsewhere. If the place where he stepped with his noble feet and prayed upon it was not prescribed for his Ummah to wipe or kiss, how then with what is claimed: that others prayed in it or slept on it? And if this is not prescribed for the place of his feet for prayer, how then with the sandal, which is the place of his feet for walking and other things? This is if the sandal is authentic, so how with what its authenticity is unknown, or what is known to be fabricated, such as many stones that liars take and carve a foot position in them, and claim to the ignorant that this place is the foot of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him)".
The Shaykh : This existed in the time of Ibn Taymiyyah (may Allah have mercy on him); they play tricks on people, digging up a stone and saying this is the foot of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), or bringing a worn-out sandal and saying this is the sandal of the Messenger, or bringing hairs, either made or printed, and saying this is the hair of the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him). All of this is deception; we ask Allah for safety. Allah is the Helper.
The student: It exists in our town...
The Shaykh : Yes
The student: ... on a mountain, and there are footprints of a cat... they say that it is...
The Shaykh : Allah is the Helper.
The student: This is a lie.
The Shaykh : There is no doubt, it is a lie among lies.
The student: Shaykh, in Chad, this exists.
The Shaykh : After that? Meaning the Messenger went to Chad? I seek refuge in Allah, we ask Allah for safety.
The student: And also in Egypt.
The Shaykh : In Egypt?
The student: There is no... except that in a corner of the mosque... there is a stone with a foot impression, they say it is the foot of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him)
The Shaykh : Allah is the Helper, I seek refuge in Allah, meaning if they had directed the common people to worship Allah and turn to Allah the Mighty and Majestic, it would have been better for them. O Allah, praise is for You. Yes.
The reader: "And if this is not prescribed in"
The Shaykh : Okay, Abd al-Rahman, the one you have in Chad, is it the one the people of Egypt have, which one is bigger?
The student: I don't know, they don't have it in Egypt.
The Shaykh : No, this brother Sa'd says it is there.
The student: I mean, I think the one we have is specific to us
The Shaykh : The foot you have? Specific to you?
The student: I think it is specific to Chad, I don't think it existed in Egypt
The Shaykh : Now listen, you need to bring a meter to measure the two feet.
The student: Shaykh, it is not carved.
The Shaykh : Yes, what?
The student: There is no carving, no human work, this mountain is originally like this.
The Shaykh : The whole mountain, they say this is the foot of the Messenger?
The student: No, it is placed on it, there is an image of a human foot on it.
The Shaykh : This is carved.
The student: There is no carving, Shaykh.
The Shaykh : No, absolutely, you see some carvers smooth it, smooth it until it looks natural.
The student: Shaykh, no one on the mountain who would make the effort to carve it, and no one in Chad says this is the foot.
The Shaykh : Before you were born, O men, this was before you were born. Yes.
And take, [O believers], from the standing place of Abraham a place of prayer.
واتخذوا من مقام إبراهيم مصلًىThe Shaykh : I have "it is not prescribed, neither kissing it with the mouth nor"
The reader: A manuscript indicated it, O Shaykh.
The Shaykh : A second manuscript?
The Reciter: Yes.
The Shaykh : Very well.
The reader: "nor wiping it with the hand, so other stations of the prophets are even more deserving of not being kissed with the mouth or wiped with the hand"
The Shaykh : This is also evidence that touching (istilam) is not placing the hand on the corner; touching is wiping, so wiping is necessary. Placing one's hand on the stone or on the Yemeni corner without wiping it means one has not followed the Sunnah. The Sunnah is wiping, and the Salaf called circumambulation (tawaf) wiping. Yes.
The reader: "Also, the place where the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) used to pray in the Prophet's city of Madinah regularly, none of the Salaf used to touch it or kiss it, nor the places where he prayed in Makkah and elsewhere. If the place where he stepped with his noble feet and prayed upon it was not prescribed for his Ummah to wipe or kiss, how then with what is claimed: that others prayed in it or slept on it? And if this is not prescribed for the place of his feet for prayer, how then with the sandal, which is the place of his feet for walking and other things? This is if the sandal is authentic, so how with what its authenticity is unknown, or what is known to be fabricated, such as many stones that liars take and carve a foot position in them, and claim to the ignorant that this place is the foot of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him)".
The Shaykh : This existed in the time of Ibn Taymiyyah (may Allah have mercy on him); they play tricks on people, digging up a stone and saying this is the foot of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), or bringing a worn-out sandal and saying this is the sandal of the Messenger, or bringing hairs, either made or printed, and saying this is the hair of the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him). All of this is deception; we ask Allah for safety. Allah is the Helper.
The student: It exists in our town...
The Shaykh : Yes
The student: ... on a mountain, and there are footprints of a cat... they say that it is...
The Shaykh : Allah is the Helper.
The student: This is a lie.
The Shaykh : There is no doubt, it is a lie among lies.
The student: Shaykh, in Chad, this exists.
The Shaykh : After that? Meaning the Messenger went to Chad? I seek refuge in Allah, we ask Allah for safety.
The student: And also in Egypt.
The Shaykh : In Egypt?
The student: There is no... except that in a corner of the mosque... there is a stone with a foot impression, they say it is the foot of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him)
The Shaykh : Allah is the Helper, I seek refuge in Allah, meaning if they had directed the common people to worship Allah and turn to Allah the Mighty and Majestic, it would have been better for them. O Allah, praise is for You. Yes.
The reader: "And if this is not prescribed in"
The Shaykh : Okay, Abd al-Rahman, the one you have in Chad, is it the one the people of Egypt have, which one is bigger?
The student: I don't know, they don't have it in Egypt.
The Shaykh : No, this brother Sa'd says it is there.
The student: I mean, I think the one we have is specific to us
The Shaykh : The foot you have? Specific to you?
The student: I think it is specific to Chad, I don't think it existed in Egypt
The Shaykh : Now listen, you need to bring a meter to measure the two feet.
The student: Shaykh, it is not carved.
The Shaykh : Yes, what?
The student: There is no carving, no human work, this mountain is originally like this.
The Shaykh : The whole mountain, they say this is the foot of the Messenger?
The student: No, it is placed on it, there is an image of a human foot on it.
The Shaykh : This is carved.
The student: There is no carving, Shaykh.
The Shaykh : No, absolutely, you see some carvers smooth it, smooth it until it looks natural.
The student: Shaykh, no one on the mountain who would make the effort to carve it, and no one in Chad says this is the foot.
The Shaykh : Before you were born, O men, this was before you were born. Yes.