Benefits of the Hadith: (Maimunah (may Allah be pleased with her), the wife of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), that a mouse fell into ghee...)
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The Shaykh : As for the benefits of the hadith, it contains evidence that a dead mouse is ritually impure, based on his saying?
The student:
The Shaykh : The evidence for this is that the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) said: Sahih al-Bukhari 3320 and he did not mention that the vessel or the drink becomes ritually impure, because a dead fly is pure.
Why is a dead fly pure and a dead mouse not pure, when both are things that move around us?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : A dead mouse is ritually impure, and both are things that move around us?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Yes, the scholars explained the reason for this, saying that the original cause of the impurity of a dead animal is the stagnation of impure blood in it; the stagnation of impure blood in it. A fly does not have blood that stagnates in it to make it impure, whereas what has blood becomes impure. There is no doubt that this is a very appropriate reason for the ruling, because Allah said:[Al-An'am 6:145] Good.
And among the benefits of this hadith is the eagerness of the Companions (may Allah be pleased with them) and their caution in matters of their religion. What is the indication of this, Ya Ghanim?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : What do you mean?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : They did not rush to pour it out, and they did not rush to eat it without asking the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him).
And among the benefits of the hadith is also that one should not be shy about matters of knowledge. So you say, "By Allah, this is a mouse; I am not going to ask about it. I am honoring this man by not asking about the mouse." Because who is the most deserving of honor among people?
The student: The Messenger of Allah.
The Shaykh : The Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him), and yet they asked him about the mouse. Yes, do we take from this that one should not say to a person when asked about something he finds unpleasant, "You are too honorable"?
The student: Yes, yes.
The Shaykh : Huh?
The student: ... The Companions were more God-conscious in their religion; they did not say "You are too honorable."
The Shaykh : Yes, but they did ask him. We do not know the wording of the question. They may have said, "You are too honorable, what do you say about a mouse if it falls into ghee?" And they may not have said that.
The student: If they said ...
The Shaykh : Yes?
The student: If they had said it, it would have reached us.
The Shaykh : But it appears that the Companions did not use these words. So do we say that using them is a religious innovation and that a person should not use them? Or do we say that this falls under custom?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : The second one appears to be the case; the second one appears to be the case, because this is not an act of worship. So if it becomes customary among people to use such words, to preface such matters with such an introduction, there is nothing wrong with it.
Good. And among the benefits of the hadith is also that if a mouse falls into ghee, it is thrown away along with what is around it, and the rest remains pure. Yes, the evidence for this is his saying:Sunan al-Bayhaqi 17:569 or The indication of the evidence is either that this is the apparent meaning of the story; this is the apparent meaning of the story, because if it had been solid, it would not have died by falling into it. Or it is said that the indication of the evidence is that the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) did not ask for details and did not say, "Is it solid or liquid?" So when he did not ask for details in a situation of possibility, his answer was treated as a general statement in the speech.
A third indication is that we say that Madinah is usually among the hot countries; usually among the hot countries, and that ghee does not solidify in it to the extent that it becomes like stone. Yes, so by this, it is not possible to interpret it as complete solidity that reaches the point of being like stone. This indication was used by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah (may Allah have mercy on him), who said that Madinah is in the Hijaz, and the Hijaz is among the hot countries.
It is derived from the hadith that whenever the harm is removed, its ruling is removed by whatever removes it, based on his sayingJami` at-Tirmidhi 1798Sahih (Darussalam) and eat it. So when the harm was removed—the harm of this mouse by throwing it away and what was around it—the rest became?
The student: Pure.
The Shaykh : Pure. And branching from this is the effect of attributes on their attributed things, or not?
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : The effect of attributes on their attributed things, because if you remove it and what is around it, the attribute for which this ghee is forbidden is removed. Good, is it taken from this that a thing becomes ritually impure by proximity?
The student: Yes, if it is in ...
The Shaykh : Yes, it is taken from this as a precaution; the precaution in staying away from ritual impurity, because the Messenger did not say, for example, "Throw it away," but was content with what stuck to it being thrown away with it, because it is possible that the impurity may have spread to what was around it. Good, if the vessel is small and what is around it encompasses the entire vessel?
The student: The entire vessel.
The Shaykh : Yes, the whole thing is thrown away; the whole thing is thrown away. And in it is a refutation of the saying of those who say that liquids become ritually impure merely by contact, even if they are much in quantity and have not changed, based on his sayingJami` at-Tirmidhi 1798Sahih (Darussalam) If it had become impure by contact, nothing of it would have been permissible. The opinion we referred to, the weaker opinion, leads to many harms to the creation that the Shari'ah does not bring. I do not know if you know what is called a "dabbah"? Large vessels.
The student: ...
The Shaykh : No, larger than ... here?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student: Tanks, meaning?
The Shaykh : Yes, large tanks, meaning I was aware of them. They were made of copper, meaning the size ... this, wider than the door and shorter in length, yes, about maybe a meter and a half, and they were round, meaning the man ... and two or three with him.
The student: Existing ...
The Shaykh : Larger than ... they used them as vessels for ghee. A person would buy ... of ghee ... known, Ya Yasser?
The student: We do not know them.
The Shaykh : You do not know them. This Arab one is like a waterskin; like a waterskin, it is filled with ghee, yes, then they pour it into this large barrel called the "dabbah." This large full barrel, if a single hair from a dog falls into it, it all becomes ritually impure.
The student: Impure.
The Shaykh : It must be poured out according to this opinion; it must be poured out and cannot be benefited from, so it became ... Therefore, the stronger and consistent opinion is that what has not changed due to impurity is not impure, whether it is liquid or solid. Yes, Ya 'Abd al-Wahhab?
The student:
Throw it away and what is around it
ألقوها وما حولهاThe Shaykh :
Throw it away and what is around it
ألقوها وما حولهاIf a house fly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink) and take it out
إذا وقع الذّباب في شراب أحدكم فليغمسه ثم لينزعهWhy is a dead fly pure and a dead mouse not pure, when both are things that move around us?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : A dead mouse is ritually impure, and both are things that move around us?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Yes, the scholars explained the reason for this, saying that the original cause of the impurity of a dead animal is the stagnation of impure blood in it; the stagnation of impure blood in it. A fly does not have blood that stagnates in it to make it impure, whereas what has blood becomes impure. There is no doubt that this is a very appropriate reason for the ruling, because Allah said:
Say, "I do not find within that which was revealed to me [anything] forbidden to one who would eat it unless it be a dead animal or blood spilled out or the flesh of swine - for indeed, it is impure
قل لا أجد فيما أوحي إليّ محرّما على طاعم يطعمه إلاّ أن يكون ميتة أو دما مسفوحا أو لحم خنزير فإنّه رجسAnd among the benefits of this hadith is the eagerness of the Companions (may Allah be pleased with them) and their caution in matters of their religion. What is the indication of this, Ya Ghanim?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : What do you mean?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : They did not rush to pour it out, and they did not rush to eat it without asking the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him).
And among the benefits of the hadith is also that one should not be shy about matters of knowledge. So you say, "By Allah, this is a mouse; I am not going to ask about it. I am honoring this man by not asking about the mouse." Because who is the most deserving of honor among people?
The student: The Messenger of Allah.
The Shaykh : The Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him), and yet they asked him about the mouse. Yes, do we take from this that one should not say to a person when asked about something he finds unpleasant, "You are too honorable"?
The student: Yes, yes.
The Shaykh : Huh?
The student: ... The Companions were more God-conscious in their religion; they did not say "You are too honorable."
The Shaykh : Yes, but they did ask him. We do not know the wording of the question. They may have said, "You are too honorable, what do you say about a mouse if it falls into ghee?" And they may not have said that.
The student: If they said ...
The Shaykh : Yes?
The student: If they had said it, it would have reached us.
The Shaykh : But it appears that the Companions did not use these words. So do we say that using them is a religious innovation and that a person should not use them? Or do we say that this falls under custom?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : The second one appears to be the case; the second one appears to be the case, because this is not an act of worship. So if it becomes customary among people to use such words, to preface such matters with such an introduction, there is nothing wrong with it.
Good. And among the benefits of the hadith is also that if a mouse falls into ghee, it is thrown away along with what is around it, and the rest remains pure. Yes, the evidence for this is his saying:
Throw it away and what is around it, and eat your ghee.
ألقوه وما حولها وكلوا سمنكمAnd eat it.
وكلوهA third indication is that we say that Madinah is usually among the hot countries; usually among the hot countries, and that ghee does not solidify in it to the extent that it becomes like stone. Yes, so by this, it is not possible to interpret it as complete solidity that reaches the point of being like stone. This indication was used by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah (may Allah have mercy on him), who said that Madinah is in the Hijaz, and the Hijaz is among the hot countries.
It is derived from the hadith that whenever the harm is removed, its ruling is removed by whatever removes it, based on his saying
Remove it (the mouse) and what was around it and then eat it (the fat).
ألقوها وما حولها وكلوهThe student: Pure.
The Shaykh : Pure. And branching from this is the effect of attributes on their attributed things, or not?
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : The effect of attributes on their attributed things, because if you remove it and what is around it, the attribute for which this ghee is forbidden is removed. Good, is it taken from this that a thing becomes ritually impure by proximity?
The student: Yes, if it is in ...
The Shaykh : Yes, it is taken from this as a precaution; the precaution in staying away from ritual impurity, because the Messenger did not say, for example, "Throw it away," but was content with what stuck to it being thrown away with it,
Throw it away and what is around it
ألقوها وما حولهاThe student: The entire vessel.
The Shaykh : Yes, the whole thing is thrown away; the whole thing is thrown away. And in it is a refutation of the saying of those who say that liquids become ritually impure merely by contact, even if they are much in quantity and have not changed, based on his saying
Remove it (the mouse) and what was around it and then eat it (the fat).
ألقوها وما حولها وكلوهThe student: ...
The Shaykh : No, larger than ... here?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student: Tanks, meaning?
The Shaykh : Yes, large tanks, meaning I was aware of them. They were made of copper, meaning the size ... this, wider than the door and shorter in length, yes, about maybe a meter and a half, and they were round, meaning the man ... and two or three with him.
The student: Existing ...
The Shaykh : Larger than ... they used them as vessels for ghee. A person would buy ... of ghee ... known, Ya Yasser?
The student: We do not know them.
The Shaykh : You do not know them. This Arab one is like a waterskin; like a waterskin, it is filled with ghee, yes, then they pour it into this large barrel called the "dabbah." This large full barrel, if a single hair from a dog falls into it, it all becomes ritually impure.
The student: Impure.
The Shaykh : It must be poured out according to this opinion; it must be poured out and cannot be benefited from, so it became ... Therefore, the stronger and consistent opinion is that what has not changed due to impurity is not impure, whether it is liquid or solid. Yes, Ya 'Abd al-Wahhab?