When does figurative interpretation of the attributes constitute disbelief?

The student: When does figurative interpretation constitute disbelief?

The Shaykh : If you put on your garment and you say: "I have eaten experience," meaning you have worn the garment, is there any basis for this? If the figurative interpretation has no basis, neither in language nor in the Shari'ah, then it is disbelief because it is denial. For this reason, we say: Denial of the attributes is of two types:
Either by figurative interpretation or by denial. If it is denial, there is no doubt that it is disbelief. If someone were to say: He did not rise above the Throne, that is a lie. What do we say? We say: It is disbelief because he is a denier. If he were to say: Yes, He rose above the Throne, but the meaning is that He took control, we would say: This is figurative interpretation. Then it is examined: if there is a basis for the figurative interpretation, and if evidence points to it, we accept it; and if evidence does not point to it, we reject it. However, if it has a basis, he is not declared a disbeliever; and if it has no basis, then he is declared a disbeliever.