The discussion regarding the sale of impure oils and using them for lighting.
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The Shaykh : In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful. Praise be to Allah, Lord of the worlds, and may Allah send prayers and blessings upon our Prophet Muhammad, his family, his companions, and those who follow them with excellence until the Day of Judgment.
What do we say about the sale of impure oils? Sharafi?
The questioner : The sale of impure oils is forbidden.
The Shaykh : What is the evidence?
The questioner : The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) was asked about the fats of carrion, and he said:.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : And Allah (Mighty and Majestic), when He forbids something, He forbids its price.
The Shaykh : Yes, the oils that have become impure?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : The school of thought is that it is forbidden because it cannot be purified, so it is like the impure. What is the second opinion, Ibrahim?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Because it can be purified, so its sale is like the sale of a garment that has become impure. Good. What is the ruling on using them for lighting, Ali?
The questioner : Using them for lighting, if it is not in a mosque.
The Shaykh : Good, ask about it. What does the pronoun refer to?
The questioner : ... the impure.
The Shaykh : The impure?
The questioner : Or the ones that have become impure.
The Shaykh : This ... and that is why we asked?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Does the pronoun refer to the impure or to the ones that have become impure?
The questioner : It refers to the ones that have become impure.
The Shaykh : The ones that have become impure?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Yes, good, it is permissible to use them for lighting outside the mosque. Why is it not permissible in the mosque?
The questioner : Because using them for lighting in the mosque causes the mosque to be affected by their smoke, which is not impure.
The Shaykh : Yes, it does not become a cause for the mosque to become impure. That is all. Is there another opinion?
The questioner : No.
The Shaykh : Say it.
The questioner : The other opinion is that the smoke is not impure.
The Shaykh : How?
The questioner : That using oils that have become impure for lighting is permissible in the mosque and elsewhere.
The Shaykh : Good, what is the reason for this opinion?
The questioner : It is based on the disagreement ... regarding transformation, is it pure or impure? ... the transformed oil.
The Shaykh : Meaning, this is based on the opinion that transformation purifies the impure. Good. Correct. Using impure oils for lighting? Adam? What do you say about using impure oils for lighting? Like a person who took oil from carrion and used it for lighting? What do you say about this? Yes?
The questioner : I did not review it.
The Shaykh : You did not review it, why? Khuzraj?
The questioner : It is a matter of disagreement. The school of thought is that it is not permissible to use them for lighting.
The Shaykh : The school of thought is that it is not permissible. Where do we take this from the author's words?
The questioner : His saying…
The Shaykh : Yes, well done. And the second opinion?
The questioner : The second opinion ... .
The Shaykh : Good, come on, Hani? What is the evidence of those who prohibit using impure oils for lighting?
The questioner : He... .
The Shaykh : No evidence? Evidence? Yes? It is not the mosque. Using impure oils for lighting is prohibited in the mosque and outside the mosque according to the author's words. So what is the evidence of these people? Saud?
The questioner : The hadith ... (may Allah be pleased with him), and the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), when he forbade the sale of carrion, was asked about its fats, and they said that it is used for lighting ... ..
The Shaykh : What?
The questioner : People use it for lighting, and they apply it to ships, and they anoint skins with it, and people use it for lighting.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : He said: They said that the pronoun here refers to the benefit.
The Shaykh : Good, to what they asked about?
The questioner : Yes, to ... .
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : They said this is evidence that it is not permissible ... .
The Shaykh : Good, is there a second opinion, Hamid?
The questioner : There is a second opinion, that the pronoun refers to the sale.
The Shaykh : No, first mention the ruling, then mention the evidence. A second evidence that it is permissible.
The questioner : That it is permissible to use them for lighting.
The Shaykh : Very well.
The questioner : And they reasoned with that that the pronoun in the hadith refers to, the reason refers to the sale.
The Shaykh : The pronoun, the pronoun.
The questioner : The pronoun.
The Shaykh : It is forbidden, it refers to?
The questioner : The sale.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : They said with that that it is permissible to use them for lighting, but their sale is forbidden.
The Shaykh : Good, what strengthens this opinion? Yes?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Because the whole discussion is about the sale, and when the Companions brought this up, they did not want to ask the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) about the ruling on the benefit, but they wanted to make this benefit a reason for the permissibility of the sale. That is all. This opinion is the stronger one, and Ibn Rajab (may Allah have mercy on him) spoke about this hadith in his explanation of the Nawawi Forty Hadiths, and it is good to review it.
Good, the author said: "And that it be from the owner or from one who stands in his place". This condition? The fourth?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Glory be to Allah, there is no god but Allah, how?
What do we say about the sale of impure oils? Sharafi?
The questioner : The sale of impure oils is forbidden.
The Shaykh : What is the evidence?
The questioner : The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) was asked about the fats of carrion, and he said:
No, it is forbidden
لا هو حرامThe Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : And Allah (Mighty and Majestic), when He forbids something, He forbids its price.
The Shaykh : Yes, the oils that have become impure?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : The school of thought is that it is forbidden because it cannot be purified, so it is like the impure. What is the second opinion, Ibrahim?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Because it can be purified, so its sale is like the sale of a garment that has become impure. Good. What is the ruling on using them for lighting, Ali?
The questioner : Using them for lighting, if it is not in a mosque.
The Shaykh : Good, ask about it. What does the pronoun refer to?
The questioner : ... the impure.
The Shaykh : The impure?
The questioner : Or the ones that have become impure.
The Shaykh : This ... and that is why we asked?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Does the pronoun refer to the impure or to the ones that have become impure?
The questioner : It refers to the ones that have become impure.
The Shaykh : The ones that have become impure?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Yes, good, it is permissible to use them for lighting outside the mosque. Why is it not permissible in the mosque?
The questioner : Because using them for lighting in the mosque causes the mosque to be affected by their smoke, which is not impure.
The Shaykh : Yes, it does not become a cause for the mosque to become impure. That is all. Is there another opinion?
The questioner : No.
The Shaykh : Say it.
The questioner : The other opinion is that the smoke is not impure.
The Shaykh : How?
The questioner : That using oils that have become impure for lighting is permissible in the mosque and elsewhere.
The Shaykh : Good, what is the reason for this opinion?
The questioner : It is based on the disagreement ... regarding transformation, is it pure or impure? ... the transformed oil.
The Shaykh : Meaning, this is based on the opinion that transformation purifies the impure. Good. Correct. Using impure oils for lighting? Adam? What do you say about using impure oils for lighting? Like a person who took oil from carrion and used it for lighting? What do you say about this? Yes?
The questioner : I did not review it.
The Shaykh : You did not review it, why? Khuzraj?
The questioner : It is a matter of disagreement. The school of thought is that it is not permissible to use them for lighting.
The Shaykh : The school of thought is that it is not permissible. Where do we take this from the author's words?
The questioner : His saying…
The Shaykh : Yes, well done. And the second opinion?
The questioner : The second opinion ... .
The Shaykh : Good, come on, Hani? What is the evidence of those who prohibit using impure oils for lighting?
The questioner : He... .
The Shaykh : No evidence? Evidence? Yes? It is not the mosque. Using impure oils for lighting is prohibited in the mosque and outside the mosque according to the author's words. So what is the evidence of these people? Saud?
The questioner : The hadith ... (may Allah be pleased with him), and the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), when he forbade the sale of carrion, was asked about its fats, and they said that it is used for lighting ... ..
The Shaykh : What?
The questioner : People use it for lighting, and they apply it to ships, and they anoint skins with it, and people use it for lighting.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : He said:
No, it is forbidden
لا هو حرامThe Shaykh : Good, to what they asked about?
The questioner : Yes, to ... .
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : They said this is evidence that it is not permissible ... .
The Shaykh : Good, is there a second opinion, Hamid?
The questioner : There is a second opinion, that the pronoun refers to the sale.
The Shaykh : No, first mention the ruling, then mention the evidence. A second evidence that it is permissible.
The questioner : That it is permissible to use them for lighting.
The Shaykh : Very well.
The questioner : And they reasoned with that that the pronoun in the hadith refers to, the reason refers to the sale.
The Shaykh : The pronoun, the pronoun.
The questioner : The pronoun.
The Shaykh : It is forbidden, it refers to?
The questioner : The sale.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : They said with that that it is permissible to use them for lighting, but their sale is forbidden.
The Shaykh : Good, what strengthens this opinion? Yes?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Because the whole discussion is about the sale, and when the Companions brought this up, they did not want to ask the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) about the ruling on the benefit, but they wanted to make this benefit a reason for the permissibility of the sale. That is all. This opinion is the stronger one, and Ibn Rajab (may Allah have mercy on him) spoke about this hadith in his explanation of the Nawawi Forty Hadiths, and it is good to review it.
Good, the author said: "And that it be from the owner or from one who stands in his place". This condition? The fourth?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Glory be to Allah, there is no god but Allah, how?