The discussion regarding the sale of fat from carrion and using it for lighting.
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The Shaykh : A man has fat that he melted from carrion, 'Abd, is it permissible for him to sell it?
The questioner : It is not permissible.
The Shaykh : It is not permissible. What is the evidence?
The questioner : .
The Shaykh : But this man melted the fat.
The questioner : The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) cursed the Jews ... when Allah forbade them ... .
The Shaykh : But there is nothing clear or an explicit text on the matter.
The questioner :Sahih Ibn Hibban 26:35 .
Another questioner: His saying (peace and blessings be upon him), when they asked him about the fat of carrion, he said .
The Shaykh : When they said that the fat of carrion.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : "What do you think of the fat of carrion? It is used to tar ships, to grease skins, and people use it for lighting." He said So he prohibited it, even though they mentioned its benefit to him. All right.
The author says that it is permissible to use it for lighting in other than a mosque. To what does the pronoun "it" refer? To Moses?
The questioner : To the fats.
The Shaykh : Which fats, the impure ones or the ones that have become impure? The impure ones. You will know, since the group raised their hands when I said.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : All right, which one? The impure ones or the ones that have become impure? The ones that have become impure. All right, what is the difference between them and the impure ones?
The questioner : The impure ones are.
The Shaykh : Since he distinguished between them in the ruling, it is necessary that you distinguish between them in the cause.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : It is not clear, are you? Yes?
The questioner : The impure ones ... .
The Shaykh : Did impurity come upon them? The difference is that the impure ones are inherently impure from the start, while the ones that have become impure were originally pure, and then impurity came upon them. That is the difference. All right. So it is permissible to use the ones that have become impure for lighting, but not the impure ones. What is the stronger position, Khalid?
The questioner : The stronger position is that it is permissible to use both the impure and the ones that have become impure for lighting.
The Shaykh : The impure ones?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Is it permissible to use the impure ones for lighting? Is it permissible?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : What is the evidence?
The questioner : The hadith where the Companions asked, "What do you think of the fat of carrion? It is used to tar ships, to grease skins, and people use it for lighting." He said It appears that the prohibition applies to the sale, not to the use ... .
The Shaykh : Do you agree with this, everyone?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : All right, if we say it is permissible to use it for lighting, meaning the impure ones like the ones that have become impure, is it permissible to use it for lighting in the mosque?
The questioner : According to the school of thought, no.
The Shaykh : It is not permissible. And according to the second opinion?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Why?
The questioner : Because if we say that transformation occurs, then it is permissible.
The Shaykh : If we say that when the impure substance transforms, it becomes pure, then it is permissible. That means even the smoke would be considered pure. That is all. May Allah reward you.
The questioner : It is not permissible.
The Shaykh : It is not permissible. What is the evidence?
The questioner :
Indeed, Allah has forbidden the sale of carrion
إن الله حرم بيع الميتةThe Shaykh : But this man melted the fat.
The questioner : The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) cursed the Jews ... when Allah forbade them ... .
The Shaykh : But there is nothing clear or an explicit text on the matter.
The questioner :
When Allah forbids something, He forbids its price.
إن الله إذا حرّم شيئا حرّم ثمنهAnother questioner: His saying (peace and blessings be upon him), when they asked him about the fat of carrion, he said
No, it is forbidden
لا هو حرامThe Shaykh : When they said that the fat of carrion.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : "What do you think of the fat of carrion? It is used to tar ships, to grease skins, and people use it for lighting." He said
No, it is forbidden
لا هو حرامThe author says that it is permissible to use it for lighting in other than a mosque. To what does the pronoun "it" refer? To Moses?
The questioner : To the fats.
The Shaykh : Which fats, the impure ones or the ones that have become impure? The impure ones. You will know, since the group raised their hands when I said.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : All right, which one? The impure ones or the ones that have become impure? The ones that have become impure. All right, what is the difference between them and the impure ones?
The questioner : The impure ones are.
The Shaykh : Since he distinguished between them in the ruling, it is necessary that you distinguish between them in the cause.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : It is not clear, are you? Yes?
The questioner : The impure ones ... .
The Shaykh : Did impurity come upon them? The difference is that the impure ones are inherently impure from the start, while the ones that have become impure were originally pure, and then impurity came upon them. That is the difference. All right. So it is permissible to use the ones that have become impure for lighting, but not the impure ones. What is the stronger position, Khalid?
The questioner : The stronger position is that it is permissible to use both the impure and the ones that have become impure for lighting.
The Shaykh : The impure ones?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Is it permissible to use the impure ones for lighting? Is it permissible?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : What is the evidence?
The questioner : The hadith where the Companions asked, "What do you think of the fat of carrion? It is used to tar ships, to grease skins, and people use it for lighting." He said
No, it is forbidden
لا هو حرامThe Shaykh : Do you agree with this, everyone?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : All right, if we say it is permissible to use it for lighting, meaning the impure ones like the ones that have become impure, is it permissible to use it for lighting in the mosque?
The questioner : According to the school of thought, no.
The Shaykh : It is not permissible. And according to the second opinion?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Why?
The questioner : Because if we say that transformation occurs, then it is permissible.
The Shaykh : If we say that when the impure substance transforms, it becomes pure, then it is permissible. That means even the smoke would be considered pure. That is all. May Allah reward you.