You said, if we assume that the Tahrir Party prevails and takes control of the government, there is no people to apply the Shari'ah rulings because there is no purification or upbringing, so what

The questioner : If you would allow me, if someone said regarding the topic you mentioned, you said that purification and upbringing are necessary for establishing governance and applying the Shari'ah, if someone said they will apply the rulings by force on the basis that they have seized power.

The Shaykh : And where is the force?
The student : On the basis that he is holding power, holding force, holding the law.

The Shaykh : You are saying, if someone said they will apply the rulings by force, they will apply it from whom, I mean?
The student : From the group you mentioned, you said that if they seize power, the Tahrir people or others, for example.

The Shaykh : I am telling you, do they have force?
The student : If they seize power, they do not have force.

The Shaykh : My brother, may Allah guide you, does the path to reaching power not require force?
The student: Yes.

The Shaykh : Now, repeat your question.
The student : You said that they.

The Shaykh : I did not say that, you repeat your question.
The student : The question is that if they seize power.

The Shaykh : And how are they going to seize power, may Allah guide you.
The student : I was basing it on this, but anyway, the question.
Another student: It is supposed, our Shaykh, that they impose the rulings by force on the people if they manage to gain power, I mean.

The Shaykh : The question is how they manage to gain power, may Allah guide us and you?
The student : Very good.
Another student: So that they can get out of the new government.

The Shaykh : This getting out is established for us by the totality of the methods.
The student: Yes.

The Shaykh : Meaning, it is not established for its own sake, but for something else.