A discussion regarding the attribution of Umm Atiyyah's hadith on (prohibiting women from following funeral processions) to Sahih Muslim, and a discussion about the printing of one of the books
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The student: A comment.
The Shaykh : Yes.The student: Of course, in M, it says that it is disliked.
The Shaykh: Good.
The student: So it is corrected, meaning the error is corrected in the edition.
The Shaykh: What is the explanation for this in your view?
The student: The explanation, and Allah knows best, is that the dislike refers to the masculine pronoun.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student: It refers to the meaning, not the wording.
The Shaykh: And what is the meaning?
The student: The meaning, of course, is that he says, "The narration from Ahmad regarding women visiting graves varies; it was reported from him that he disliked it, meaning he disliked the act of visiting."
The Shaykh: Hmm, a long roundabout way of saying it. Well, go on if you wish.
The student: And this is its explanation, meaning there is no other explanation.
The Shaykh : Yes, yes.
The student: When Umm Atiyyah narrated, she said: "We were prohibited from visiting graves, but we were not strictly obligated to do so." Muslim narrated it.
The Shaykh: Well, do you have a comment here?
The student: Yes, there is a comment.
The Shaykh: Go ahead.
The student: "Muslim did not narrate a hadith with this wording."
The Shaykh : Very good.
The student: "He only narrated Umm Atiyyah's hadith regarding the prohibition of following funeral processions, and its tracing was mentioned previously" on page four hundred and one, where he says there, he says: "In, my master, twenty-four!!" "Al-Bukhari narrated it in the chapter on women following funeral processions in the Book of Funerals" in Sahih al-Bukhari, "and Muslim in the chapter on prohibiting women from following funeral processions in the Book of Funerals" in Sahih Muslim, "as Abu Dawud also narrated it in the chapter on following funeral processions in the Book of Funerals, and so on, and Ibn Majah in the chapter on what was reported regarding women following funeral processions in the Book of Funerals, and Imam Ahmad in the Musnad."
The Shaykh: Yes.
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh: Yes, that is what I intended.
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh: Because I noticed this attribution to Muslim.
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh: That it is an error.
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh: And I had heard about this edition.
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh: So I wanted to know that, as was said, it is a verified edition.
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh: And now it has become clear that it indeed contains some verification.
The student : Yes, yes.
The Shaykh: The attribution of this narration, "We were prohibited from visiting graves," to Muslim.
The student : Incorrectly.
The Shaykh: This is a pure error, yes.
The student : Yes, that is right.
The Shaykh: So may Allah reward you with good.
The student: And you as well, Shaykh.
The Shaykh: Is there any need?
The Shaykh : Yes.The student: Of course, in M, it says that it is disliked.
The Shaykh: Good.
The student: So it is corrected, meaning the error is corrected in the edition.
The Shaykh: What is the explanation for this in your view?
The student: The explanation, and Allah knows best, is that the dislike refers to the masculine pronoun.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student: It refers to the meaning, not the wording.
The Shaykh: And what is the meaning?
The student: The meaning, of course, is that he says, "The narration from Ahmad regarding women visiting graves varies; it was reported from him that he disliked it, meaning he disliked the act of visiting."
The Shaykh: Hmm, a long roundabout way of saying it. Well, go on if you wish.
The student: And this is its explanation, meaning there is no other explanation.
The Shaykh : Yes, yes.
The student: When Umm Atiyyah narrated, she said: "We were prohibited from visiting graves, but we were not strictly obligated to do so." Muslim narrated it.
The Shaykh: Well, do you have a comment here?
The student: Yes, there is a comment.
The Shaykh: Go ahead.
The student: "Muslim did not narrate a hadith with this wording."
The Shaykh : Very good.
The student: "He only narrated Umm Atiyyah's hadith regarding the prohibition of following funeral processions, and its tracing was mentioned previously" on page four hundred and one, where he says there, he says: "In, my master, twenty-four!!" "Al-Bukhari narrated it in the chapter on women following funeral processions in the Book of Funerals" in Sahih al-Bukhari, "and Muslim in the chapter on prohibiting women from following funeral processions in the Book of Funerals" in Sahih Muslim, "as Abu Dawud also narrated it in the chapter on following funeral processions in the Book of Funerals, and so on, and Ibn Majah in the chapter on what was reported regarding women following funeral processions in the Book of Funerals, and Imam Ahmad in the Musnad."
The Shaykh: Yes.
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh: Yes, that is what I intended.
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh: Because I noticed this attribution to Muslim.
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh: That it is an error.
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh: And I had heard about this edition.
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh: So I wanted to know that, as was said, it is a verified edition.
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh: And now it has become clear that it indeed contains some verification.
The student : Yes, yes.
The Shaykh: The attribution of this narration, "We were prohibited from visiting graves," to Muslim.
The student : Incorrectly.
The Shaykh: This is a pure error, yes.
The student : Yes, that is right.
The Shaykh: So may Allah reward you with good.
The student: And you as well, Shaykh.
The Shaykh: Is there any need?
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