The student mentions to the Shaykh the main points he focuses on in his discussion with the Saqaf group, and the Shaykh comments on them.
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The student : I have in mind to begin the talk with an introduction of what I am about to say now, so that you may correct me, if Allah wills, if there is any error. Repeating the issue of sincerity to Allah (Mighty and Majestic).
The Shaykh: Yes.
The student : And emphasizing it.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The student : And that we wish to reach what Allah (Mighty and Majestic) intends from what He has made us worship Him with, namely His names and attributes.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student : So our eagerness and concern should be to reach what Allah (Mighty and Majestic) intends, and nothing else, and there should be frankness, clarity, and fairness in the research, until we reach the truth by which we profess our religion to Allah (Mighty and Majestic). I say: My Shaykh, may Allah know best, this must be repeated for the sake of emphasis.
The Shaykh : There is no harm, but do not let the session drag on!
The student : No, my Shaykh, this is just a few minutes as an introduction to remind them of Allah, O Shaykh.
The Shaykh : I know, I know this regarding your plan, but you do not know his plan.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : What objections or doubts or the like he might raise, so it must be part of your complete plan.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : That your words be general, clear, evident, and agreed upon, and you proceed. If they want to discuss, tell him: We have no need for this, as this discussion will revolve around details that we are in no need of now.
The questioner : Very good.
The Shaykh : This is the principle we agree upon, and you proceed and continue with the completion of the previous research.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : Then I say: It is very necessary, if the opportunity arises, that you gauge his pulse: what is his position regarding the path of the believers?
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : Because this is also the backbreaker of the innovators.
The questioner : Very good.
The Shaykh : So whoever from the Salaf, the Companions and the Successors and those who follow them, said: "Allah is not inside the world nor outside it," will not be able to bring such a transmission at all. So then, you place him before the contradiction of the path of the believers.
The student : Yes, our brother 'Isa stopped me, my Shaykh, on the words of al-Hafiz Ibn Hajar al-'Asqalani in "Fath al-Bari." His words, may Allah be glorified, my Shaykh, what Allah willed, regarding the explanation or interpretation of the saying of Allah (Blessed and Exalted is He):[Taha 20:5] So al-Hafiz Ibn Hajar quotes from the Imam of the Two Horizons.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The student : The Imam al-Juwayni says:
The Shaykh : Ah, the Imam of the Two Horizons, you must read his printed treatise!
The student : Ah, is it called al-Nizamiyyah?
The Shaykh : No, the printed one, the printed one in the collection of the Muniriyyah treatises.
The student : Yes.
The Shaykh : Because he was one of these innovators, then Allah guided him.
The student : Subhan Allah!
The Shaykh: Yes.
The student : Beautiful, so the Imam of the Two Horizons says: "What we consider as religion and by which we profess our religion to Allah (Mighty and Majestic), which was the state of the Companions and the Salaf of the Ummah, is that the early epochs passed without any figurative interpretation of the attributes of Allah (Mighty and Majestic)." So his words, what Allah willed, are very, very strong.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The student : And al-Hafiz Ibn Hajar comments on this with a good comment, approving it. Shaykh, now here is a question: Do you remember that al-Hafiz Ibn Hajar's belief is mixed with some of the beliefs of the Asha'irah?
The Shaykh : This is without doubt.
The student : Good, examples of these matters in which al-Hafiz fell?
The Shaykh : He interprets the rising above the Throne figuratively.
The student : He interprets it figuratively?!
The Shaykh : In another place...
The student : Subhan Allah!
The Shaykh : Yes, perhaps he mentioned it now, I doubt regarding him, but al-Nawawi, I do not doubt that he says: "Not inside the world nor outside it."
The student : Al-Nawawi says this?
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner : Three hundred and sixty.
The Shaykh : Oh God, open the door, my father, open the door.
The student : Al-Nawawi says this, he says this in "al-Majmu'", my Shaykh, do you remember in which book?
The Shaykh : By Allah, I do not remember.
The student : Does he certainly say it?
The Shaykh : Yes, certainly. I told you: I distinguished between Ibn Hajar and said: I think.
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : And between other than Ibn Hajar.
The student : Yes, may Allah be glorified!
The Shaykh: Yes.
The student : And emphasizing it.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The student : And that we wish to reach what Allah (Mighty and Majestic) intends from what He has made us worship Him with, namely His names and attributes.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student : So our eagerness and concern should be to reach what Allah (Mighty and Majestic) intends, and nothing else, and there should be frankness, clarity, and fairness in the research, until we reach the truth by which we profess our religion to Allah (Mighty and Majestic). I say: My Shaykh, may Allah know best, this must be repeated for the sake of emphasis.
The Shaykh : There is no harm, but do not let the session drag on!
The student : No, my Shaykh, this is just a few minutes as an introduction to remind them of Allah, O Shaykh.
The Shaykh : I know, I know this regarding your plan, but you do not know his plan.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : What objections or doubts or the like he might raise, so it must be part of your complete plan.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : That your words be general, clear, evident, and agreed upon, and you proceed. If they want to discuss, tell him: We have no need for this, as this discussion will revolve around details that we are in no need of now.
The questioner : Very good.
The Shaykh : This is the principle we agree upon, and you proceed and continue with the completion of the previous research.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : Then I say: It is very necessary, if the opportunity arises, that you gauge his pulse: what is his position regarding the path of the believers?
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : Because this is also the backbreaker of the innovators.
The questioner : Very good.
The Shaykh : So whoever from the Salaf, the Companions and the Successors and those who follow them, said: "Allah is not inside the world nor outside it," will not be able to bring such a transmission at all. So then, you place him before the contradiction of the path of the believers.
The student : Yes, our brother 'Isa stopped me, my Shaykh, on the words of al-Hafiz Ibn Hajar al-'Asqalani in "Fath al-Bari." His words, may Allah be glorified, my Shaykh, what Allah willed, regarding the explanation or interpretation of the saying of Allah (Blessed and Exalted is He):
The Most Merciful [who is] above the Throne established.
الرَّحْمَنُ عَلَى الْعَرْشِ اسْتَوَىThe Shaykh: Yes.
The student : The Imam al-Juwayni says:
The Shaykh : Ah, the Imam of the Two Horizons, you must read his printed treatise!
The student : Ah, is it called al-Nizamiyyah?
The Shaykh : No, the printed one, the printed one in the collection of the Muniriyyah treatises.
The student : Yes.
The Shaykh : Because he was one of these innovators, then Allah guided him.
The student : Subhan Allah!
The Shaykh: Yes.
The student : Beautiful, so the Imam of the Two Horizons says: "What we consider as religion and by which we profess our religion to Allah (Mighty and Majestic), which was the state of the Companions and the Salaf of the Ummah, is that the early epochs passed without any figurative interpretation of the attributes of Allah (Mighty and Majestic)." So his words, what Allah willed, are very, very strong.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The student : And al-Hafiz Ibn Hajar comments on this with a good comment, approving it. Shaykh, now here is a question: Do you remember that al-Hafiz Ibn Hajar's belief is mixed with some of the beliefs of the Asha'irah?
The Shaykh : This is without doubt.
The student : Good, examples of these matters in which al-Hafiz fell?
The Shaykh : He interprets the rising above the Throne figuratively.
The student : He interprets it figuratively?!
The Shaykh : In another place...
The student : Subhan Allah!
The Shaykh : Yes, perhaps he mentioned it now, I doubt regarding him, but al-Nawawi, I do not doubt that he says: "Not inside the world nor outside it."
The student : Al-Nawawi says this?
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner : Three hundred and sixty.
The Shaykh : Oh God, open the door, my father, open the door.
The student : Al-Nawawi says this, he says this in "al-Majmu'", my Shaykh, do you remember in which book?
The Shaykh : By Allah, I do not remember.
The student : Does he certainly say it?
The Shaykh : Yes, certainly. I told you: I distinguished between Ibn Hajar and said: I think.
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : And between other than Ibn Hajar.
The student : Yes, may Allah be glorified!
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