What is your opinion regarding the statements of some opponents concerning rising above the Throne, direction, and elevation?
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The questioner : Up to now, the speech is normal; there is nothing wrong with it.
The Shaykh : How is there nothing wrong when it says, "As for the refutation of Imam Abu al-Hasan al-Ash'ari's interpretation of rising above the Throne as taking possession"?
The questioner : As for the refutation.
The Shaykh : If it were.
The questioner : I did not hear the first word.
The Shaykh : "As for the refutation of Imam Abu al-Hasan al-Ash'ari's interpretation of rising above the Throne as taking possession, we do not agree with him in that, ever."
The questioner: Then.
The Shaykh : "And we say that he said that because of his refutation of the action, which resulted in a reaction occurring in him from the Mu'tazilah, and although we do not agree with them in many of their issues."
The student : We do not agree with them in what?
The Shaykh : "In many of their issues, but here we agree with them and believe that they are correct in this issue, for what we have provided as evidence and clarified." You are done, my friend.
The questioner : You have made it clear, my Shaykh.
The Shaykh : Fine, but where is the point? "And here is a very important matter, which is that we do not say that Allah the Exalted exists in every place, at all. Rather, we declare as disbelievers those who say that, and we believe that Allah, Glorified and Exalted is He, exists without a place because He is the Creator of place." This phrase: "We believe that He exists without a place because He is the Creator of place" is good, but it is a digression. Did you notice this phrase?
The questioner: Yes, O Shaykh, yes.
The Shaykh : Fine, but when he says in another place, "That Allah is not described as being inside the world and outside of it; this is absolute denial."
The questioner : Allah the Exalted...
The Shaykh : Because He is outside the world, there is no place.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh: Is it clear?
The questioner : Yes, Shaykh.
The Shaykh : So here he is concealing the fact that he said he says "exists without a place" and justifies it "because He is the Creator of place."
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : This is sound speech if he stopped there, but in other places he says He is not described as being inside the world or outside of it, so He is the non-existent.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : But look at the manipulation now. He is speaking about me. What do I say? "As for the one who contradicted our time, he delved into the science of theology in the introduction of the Summary of Elevation, and he fell into terrible catastrophes, so he established direction and the non-existent place." Look.
The questioner : How does this hold up, my Shaykh?
The Shaykh : No, this is deception. This is deception.
The questioner : I mean, excuse me, my Shaykh, direction and the non-existent place.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : Shaykh, this is speech.
The Shaykh : This is the speech of one who is very wicked, because this is what he attributed to me is what he said.
The questioner : He said it, yes.
The Shaykh : The non-existent place.
The questioner : Meaning, nothing.
The Shaykh : There is nothing wrong with it.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : Fine, and I said that Allah has the attribute of elevation and that He was before the creation of time and place, so He was not in a place. This is what I said: He was not in a place. And he says He is not in a place.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : What is the difference between me and him? It is just the insinuations, the hints, the attacks, and the disparagement of speech. It is just like this for the purpose of deceiving people. He established for Allah direction and the non-existent place, and there is no difference between me and him in this. But there is a very big difference: I did not add to this transcendence that He is not outside the world, but rather He is above the Throne; He rose above it.
The questioner: Allahu Akbar.
The Shaykh : As for him, he says no, no, not inside the world and not outside of it. What do you want to say? This person has left you no room for good opinion of him.
The questioner: Allahu Akbar.
The Shaykh : This is his speech: he established for Allah direction and the non-existent place. Glorified is Allah above what they say. Look.
The questioner: Allahu Akbar.
The Shaykh : What did we say? We transcended Him. He does not want that.
The Shaykh : How is there nothing wrong when it says, "As for the refutation of Imam Abu al-Hasan al-Ash'ari's interpretation of rising above the Throne as taking possession"?
The questioner : As for the refutation.
The Shaykh : If it were.
The questioner : I did not hear the first word.
The Shaykh : "As for the refutation of Imam Abu al-Hasan al-Ash'ari's interpretation of rising above the Throne as taking possession, we do not agree with him in that, ever."
The questioner: Then.
The Shaykh : "And we say that he said that because of his refutation of the action, which resulted in a reaction occurring in him from the Mu'tazilah, and although we do not agree with them in many of their issues."
The student : We do not agree with them in what?
The Shaykh : "In many of their issues, but here we agree with them and believe that they are correct in this issue, for what we have provided as evidence and clarified." You are done, my friend.
The questioner : You have made it clear, my Shaykh.
The Shaykh : Fine, but where is the point? "And here is a very important matter, which is that we do not say that Allah the Exalted exists in every place, at all. Rather, we declare as disbelievers those who say that, and we believe that Allah, Glorified and Exalted is He, exists without a place because He is the Creator of place." This phrase: "We believe that He exists without a place because He is the Creator of place" is good, but it is a digression. Did you notice this phrase?
The questioner: Yes, O Shaykh, yes.
The Shaykh : Fine, but when he says in another place, "That Allah is not described as being inside the world and outside of it; this is absolute denial."
The questioner : Allah the Exalted...
The Shaykh : Because He is outside the world, there is no place.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh: Is it clear?
The questioner : Yes, Shaykh.
The Shaykh : So here he is concealing the fact that he said he says "exists without a place" and justifies it "because He is the Creator of place."
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : This is sound speech if he stopped there, but in other places he says He is not described as being inside the world or outside of it, so He is the non-existent.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : But look at the manipulation now. He is speaking about me. What do I say? "As for the one who contradicted our time, he delved into the science of theology in the introduction of the Summary of Elevation, and he fell into terrible catastrophes, so he established direction and the non-existent place." Look.
The questioner : How does this hold up, my Shaykh?
The Shaykh : No, this is deception. This is deception.
The questioner : I mean, excuse me, my Shaykh, direction and the non-existent place.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : Shaykh, this is speech.
The Shaykh : This is the speech of one who is very wicked, because this is what he attributed to me is what he said.
The questioner : He said it, yes.
The Shaykh : The non-existent place.
The questioner : Meaning, nothing.
The Shaykh : There is nothing wrong with it.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : Fine, and I said that Allah has the attribute of elevation and that He was before the creation of time and place, so He was not in a place. This is what I said: He was not in a place. And he says He is not in a place.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : What is the difference between me and him? It is just the insinuations, the hints, the attacks, and the disparagement of speech. It is just like this for the purpose of deceiving people. He established for Allah direction and the non-existent place, and there is no difference between me and him in this. But there is a very big difference: I did not add to this transcendence that He is not outside the world, but rather He is above the Throne; He rose above it.
The questioner: Allahu Akbar.
The Shaykh : As for him, he says no, no, not inside the world and not outside of it. What do you want to say? This person has left you no room for good opinion of him.
The questioner: Allahu Akbar.
The Shaykh : This is his speech: he established for Allah direction and the non-existent place. Glorified is Allah above what they say. Look.
The questioner: Allahu Akbar.
The Shaykh : What did we say? We transcended Him. He does not want that.
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