Is it permissible for a man to enter upon two women, or is this also considered seclusion?
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The questioner : All right, does the presence of women break the seclusion? That is, is it permissible for a man to enter upon two women?
The Shaykh : I do not see that as permissible, because the harm is not such that it is likely to be removed by the presence of another woman. Rather, the prohibition of seclusion is a matter of blocking the means to harm. So if the means is blocked, then at that point, no matter how many forms it takes, it is permissible. In this case, a man is alone with two women; it does not appear that the means has been blocked or nullified.
The questioner : All right, and what about two men with one woman?
The Shaykh : Likewise.
The questioner : Is that so?
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : All right, and the hadith in "Sahih Muslim":Sahih Muslim 2173.
The Shaykh :As-Sunan al-Kubra lil-Nasa'i 63:311 .
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : I do not recall this hadith. If it is as you say, in "Sahih Muslim," then we should first review its chain of narration.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : For fear that it contains a defect, such as being, for example, narrated by Abu al-Zubayr with a vague connection. Then, after establishing the authenticity of the hadith, we look at its evidence. If its evidence is conclusive, we will speak about its evidence and return from what we said earlier.
The questioner : Yes, meaning this means it is possible... in "Sahih Muslim."
The Shaykh : It is possible. May Allah reward you with good.
The Shaykh : I do not see that as permissible, because the harm is not such that it is likely to be removed by the presence of another woman. Rather, the prohibition of seclusion is a matter of blocking the means to harm. So if the means is blocked, then at that point, no matter how many forms it takes, it is permissible. In this case, a man is alone with two women; it does not appear that the means has been blocked or nullified.
The questioner : All right, and what about two men with one woman?
The Shaykh : Likewise.
The questioner : Is that so?
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : All right, and the hadith in "Sahih Muslim":
no man should enter the house of another person in his absence, but only when he is accompanied by one person or two persons
لا يدخلَنَّ رجل على امرأة إلا ومعه رجل أو رجلينThe Shaykh :
unless he is accompanied by a man or two men.
إلا ومعه رجل أو رجلانThe questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : I do not recall this hadith. If it is as you say, in "Sahih Muslim," then we should first review its chain of narration.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : For fear that it contains a defect, such as being, for example, narrated by Abu al-Zubayr with a vague connection. Then, after establishing the authenticity of the hadith, we look at its evidence. If its evidence is conclusive, we will speak about its evidence and return from what we said earlier.
The questioner : Yes, meaning this means it is possible... in "Sahih Muslim."
The Shaykh : It is possible. May Allah reward you with good.
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