How do women adorn themselves with gold that is not circular, when it does not exist in reality?
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The questioner : Shaykh, how is it possible to have gold that is not circular?
The Shaykh : How?
The questioner : How is it possible to have this gold that is not circular?
The Shaykh : What is the matter with it?
The questioner : How do you mean it is possible? It is not possible; there is no such thing as gold that is not circular.
Another questioner: He means it is not manufactured.
Another questioner: It is not manufactured!
Another questioner: He means it is not manufactured.
The Shaykh : How do you mean it is not manufactured?
The questioner : Gold that is not circular is not manufactured.
Another questioner: He means he understands that adornment is only possible with a ring, a bracelet, or something similar that is circular, so one cannot adorn oneself; it is not possible to adorn oneself with anything other than what is circular.
The Shaykh : This is what your knowledge has encompassed, and praise be to Allah, you are not to be blamed for it, because it is not part of the knowledge of the Shari'ah.
The questioner : Shaykh, this exists in all of them.
The Shaykh : If you permit me, do you not imagine that there are golden buttons?
The questioner : It exists in this.
The Shaykh : Is it present?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : How did you say: "It is not imagined"?
The questioner : I do not mean these earrings and these earrings and these earrings.
The Shaykh : We call them earrings, and these are the names that you know.
The questioner : Bracelets.
The Shaykh : No problem, my point is that in reality, gold is of two types: You say: It is not imagined to be anything other than circular.
The questioner : ... bracelets.
The Shaykh : Okay, do you imagine a comb made of gold?
The questioner : I imagine it.
The Shaykh : Okay, what did you not imagine?
The questioner : I mean, a comb is made of gold and used for adornment... earrings.
The Shaykh : This is for people like us, the dervishes, but if you go up, you find shapes and colors... a shape on the chest made of gold, you do not imagine that either? So the types of cut gold that is not circular are more than what you know of circular gold.
The questioner : I did not mean this; I meant these bracelets.
Another questioner: He means it is not imagined that a woman wears anything other than circular gold.
The questioner : Yes, I do.
Another questioner: And she is not satisfied with anything other than circular gold.
The questioner : And this existing one, I mean, is the prevalent one; this is rare in existence, our Shaykh.
The student: In the current fashion, it is coming out on the chest, they put, I mean, some shapes.
The questioner : This is rare in existence.
The Shaykh : I am telling him, he says to me, "I do not imagine it," then he imagines it.
The questioner : This is rare, rare.
The Shaykh : The summary of the matter from your words is that you observe the reality of women...
The questioner : Yes, I do.
The Shaykh : This reality is naturally driven by its people and its supporters based on an established idea, but if this established idea were reversed with them, would their drive be reversed, yes or no?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : In the sense that some Muslims who claim knowledge in the present age permit men to wear gold rings, and they argue with the generality of the saying of Allah the Exalted:[Al-A'raf 7:32] to the end of the verse, "This is adornment." So when you prohibit it, when you bring the hadiths that prohibit gold in general and the gold ring in particular, they tell you, "This is an imam whose hadith is not authentic, because it is not their concern; they are engaged in scientific research, and these are ahad hadiths that we cannot use to contradict the decisive text of the Qur'an," and so on of this strange philosophy that is foreign to us. If you say to them: "Why do you adorn yourselves with this?" they answer you with this answer. Now, consider the point of the example: if one of them were convinced that the gold ring is forbidden for men, what would he do? He would change the method of use; instead of making a ring of gold, he would make it a ring of silver, clear? So you do not look at the reality, that this reality and nothing else exists as you imagined earlier. You look at whether this reality conforms to the Shari'ah or not? If it conforms to the Shari'ah, it is permissible, there is no discussion. If it does not conform to the Shari'ah, what does it benefit you to say that there is nothing else, in the Syrian expression: "It has never existed otherwise," because this is forbidden. But you investigate the issue with its Shari'ah evidence. If you are convinced that this reality contradicts the Shari'ah, it is obligatory to turn away from it, as the Salaf did when intoxicants and riba were forbidden to them and the like [Al-Ma'idah 5:91]? They said: "We have stopped, O Lord."
This is the affair of the Muslim. As for rejecting the texts merely because they said to us repeatedly: "What have you left for women in terms of adornment?" In their opinion, and this is what I sensed from you earlier, that we have not left anything of adornment for women, no, there is adornment for women but not the circular type. Our women are like this; the difference is that our women were convinced that this type of gold is forbidden, so they left it, and the others were not convinced, so they held onto it, and so on. So it is not befitting for us to look at the reality, because the reality includes what conforms to the Shari'ah and what contradicts it.
The Shaykh : How?
The questioner : How is it possible to have this gold that is not circular?
The Shaykh : What is the matter with it?
The questioner : How do you mean it is possible? It is not possible; there is no such thing as gold that is not circular.
Another questioner: He means it is not manufactured.
Another questioner: It is not manufactured!
Another questioner: He means it is not manufactured.
The Shaykh : How do you mean it is not manufactured?
The questioner : Gold that is not circular is not manufactured.
Another questioner: He means he understands that adornment is only possible with a ring, a bracelet, or something similar that is circular, so one cannot adorn oneself; it is not possible to adorn oneself with anything other than what is circular.
The Shaykh : This is what your knowledge has encompassed, and praise be to Allah, you are not to be blamed for it, because it is not part of the knowledge of the Shari'ah.
The questioner : Shaykh, this exists in all of them.
The Shaykh : If you permit me, do you not imagine that there are golden buttons?
The questioner : It exists in this.
The Shaykh : Is it present?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : How did you say: "It is not imagined"?
The questioner : I do not mean these earrings and these earrings and these earrings.
The Shaykh : We call them earrings, and these are the names that you know.
The questioner : Bracelets.
The Shaykh : No problem, my point is that in reality, gold is of two types: You say: It is not imagined to be anything other than circular.
The questioner : ... bracelets.
The Shaykh : Okay, do you imagine a comb made of gold?
The questioner : I imagine it.
The Shaykh : Okay, what did you not imagine?
The questioner : I mean, a comb is made of gold and used for adornment... earrings.
The Shaykh : This is for people like us, the dervishes, but if you go up, you find shapes and colors... a shape on the chest made of gold, you do not imagine that either? So the types of cut gold that is not circular are more than what you know of circular gold.
The questioner : I did not mean this; I meant these bracelets.
Another questioner: He means it is not imagined that a woman wears anything other than circular gold.
The questioner : Yes, I do.
Another questioner: And she is not satisfied with anything other than circular gold.
The questioner : And this existing one, I mean, is the prevalent one; this is rare in existence, our Shaykh.
The student: In the current fashion, it is coming out on the chest, they put, I mean, some shapes.
The questioner : This is rare in existence.
The Shaykh : I am telling him, he says to me, "I do not imagine it," then he imagines it.
The questioner : This is rare, rare.
The Shaykh : The summary of the matter from your words is that you observe the reality of women...
The questioner : Yes, I do.
The Shaykh : This reality is naturally driven by its people and its supporters based on an established idea, but if this established idea were reversed with them, would their drive be reversed, yes or no?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : In the sense that some Muslims who claim knowledge in the present age permit men to wear gold rings, and they argue with the generality of the saying of Allah the Exalted:
Say, "Who has forbidden the adornment of Allah which He has produced for His servants and the good [lawful] things of provision?" Say, "They are for those who believe during the worldly life
قُلْ مَنْ حَرَّمَ زِينَةَ للَّهِ الَّتِي أَخْرَجَ لِعِبَادِهِ وَالطَّيِّبَاتِ مِنَ الرِّزْقِ قُلْ هِيَ لِلَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ فِي الْحَيَواةِ الدُّنْيَاSo will you not desist?
هل أنتم منتهونThis is the affair of the Muslim. As for rejecting the texts merely because they said to us repeatedly: "What have you left for women in terms of adornment?" In their opinion, and this is what I sensed from you earlier, that we have not left anything of adornment for women, no, there is adornment for women but not the circular type. Our women are like this; the difference is that our women were convinced that this type of gold is forbidden, so they left it, and the others were not convinced, so they held onto it, and so on. So it is not befitting for us to look at the reality, because the reality includes what conforms to the Shari'ah and what contradicts it.