In the prayer of the latecomer: Does catching the final sitting mean catching the prayer?
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The questioner : Regarding the issue of the prayer of the latecomer, I have discussed it with my brother Nasser more than once.
The Shaykh: Which prayer?
The questioner : The prayer of the latecomer: Does catching the final sitting mean catching the prayer? Catching the final sitting.
The Shaykh : If you catch the imam before the taslim, you have caught [the prayer], based on his saying (peace and blessings be upon him):, but the issue that arose for you is that catching [the prayer]...
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : ...catching [the prayer] has levels; so whoever catches the imam at the takbirat al-ihram, there is no doubt or ambiguity that this is not like the one who caught him before the taslim, correct? And between this and that are degrees that are difficult, what? To count them. So if we suppose that someone caught the imam just as he began[Al-Fatihah 1:2] in the first rak'ah, he is not like the one who came after him moments later and caught him while he was saying, for example: [Al-Fatihah 1:5], so distinguish as much as you wish with examples. I have brought you the highest, which is catching the takbirat al-ihram of the prayer with the imam, and I have brought you the lowest, which is that he came and caught the imam before the taslim. Between this and that are degrees that no one knows except Allah (Blessed and Exalted is He).
The questioner : ...catching the rak'ah is catching the ruku', correct? The rak'ah is counted as a rak'ah with the congregation if you catch the ruku'?
The Shaykh : Catching the ruku' is catching the rak'ah.
The questioner: Catching the rak'ah.
The Shaykh: All right.
The questioner : I did not catch the last rak'ah, and I sat with the imam, and the imam said the taslim, and I am repeating the prayer in full after the imam's taslim. So here I left a condition of the conditions of the congregation, which is the imam who leads... there is no imam for me to pray the four rak'ahs in a standalone state if the prayer is four-rak'ah, and I did not catch the rak'ah so that my prayer would be counted as a congregational prayer?
The Shaykh : What is the evidence for what you are saying? I quoted to you just now.
The questioner : I want to catch the ruku' only.
The Shaykh : Listen, I quoted to you just now the saying of the Messenger:Sahih al-Bukhari 635, this person missed four rak'ahs, so he comes and performs them; is he not included in the hadith: Sahih al-Bukhari 635? This person missed the entire prayer except the taslim, so he caught the taslim, correct? He sat, and barely had he sat when the imam said: Peace be upon you. So now, what does this person do according to what you mentioned just now? And we naturally have a discussion on that. This person who barely sat and began the tashahhud when the imam said: Peace be upon you, what does he do? Let us now set aside what he caught; this is a topic we may return to; what does he do?
The questioner : Personally, I would say the taslim with him, and establish a new prayer... Brother Nasser.
The Shaykh: Good, what is the evidence for what you used to do?
The questioner: The evidence is that I did not catch the last rak'ah.
The Shaykh : This, may Allah bless you, pay attention, is not evidence; this is a claim. You are claiming something; for example, I claim against you that I lent you one thousand riyals one day, this is a claim; what is my evidence? My evidence, for example, is that I take a loan where you acknowledge that you borrowed from so-and-so such and such, this is evidence. But what is my claim? I have such and such against you, the evidence is that so-and-so testifies against you with such and such. We must distinguish between the claim and the evidence.
The questioner :
The Shaykh : Do not rush me if you wish, you are claiming, we are now asking about the evidence for this claim; do you have evidence?
The questioner : You shorten [the prayer] in the congregation behind the imam.
The Shaykh : This is a claim. If the man prayed alone, was his prayer valid?
The questioner : No... congregational prayer... individual prayer.
The Shaykh : Correct, but we mentioned just now examples of the one who caught the imam at the beginning of the prayer and the one who caught him before the taslim, and between them are degrees. Now let us give an example close to the latter: he sat, and barely had the imam finished the fourth rak'ah and sat for the tashahhud when he entered and sat with him; did this person catch the prayer?
The questioner : He caught it... there is the virtue of the congregation.
The Shaykh : May Allah bless you, we are saying the virtue of the congregation varies from case to case. This one who caught the obligatory congregational prayer in its entirety, this one who said after the imam said Allahu Akbar at the beginning of the prayer; this one caught the entire prayer. But the one who missed a rak'ah, did he catch the entire virtue of the congregation? And go down, go down, go down, go down, until you reach where? He caught from the prayer the imam's taslim. This one caught something; meaning, as they say: "Of the camel, its ear"; that is, if the matter turns between two who entered the mosque, one slower than the other, the first preceded him, sat for the tashahhud, and the imam said: Peace be upon you, the second did not catch the taslim. Are they equal, for example? They are not equal. But likewise, the one who caught the imam's takbirat al-ihram is not equal to the one who caught only the taslim; they are not equal. And between them are degrees and many degrees. So the more of the imam's prayer that is caught, the greater the reward, and vice versa...
The Shaykh: Which prayer?
The questioner : The prayer of the latecomer: Does catching the final sitting mean catching the prayer? Catching the final sitting.
The Shaykh : If you catch the imam before the taslim, you have caught [the prayer], based on his saying (peace and blessings be upon him):
When you come to the prayer, come to it with calmness and composure, and do not come to it while running; whatever you catch up with, pray, and whatever you miss, complete.
إذا أتيتم الصلاة فَأْتوها وعليكم السكينة والوقار ، ولا تأتوها وأنتم تسعون ؛ فما أدركتم فصلُّوا ، وما فاتكم فأتمُّواThe questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : ...catching [the prayer] has levels; so whoever catches the imam at the takbirat al-ihram, there is no doubt or ambiguity that this is not like the one who caught him before the taslim, correct? And between this and that are degrees that are difficult, what? To count them. So if we suppose that someone caught the imam just as he began
[All] praise is [due] to Allah, Lord of the worlds -
الْحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَIt is You we worship and You we ask for help.
إِيَّاكَ نَعْبُدُ وَإِيَّاكَ نَسْتَعِينُThe questioner : ...catching the rak'ah is catching the ruku', correct? The rak'ah is counted as a rak'ah with the congregation if you catch the ruku'?
The Shaykh : Catching the ruku' is catching the rak'ah.
The questioner: Catching the rak'ah.
The Shaykh: All right.
The questioner : I did not catch the last rak'ah, and I sat with the imam, and the imam said the taslim, and I am repeating the prayer in full after the imam's taslim. So here I left a condition of the conditions of the congregation, which is the imam who leads... there is no imam for me to pray the four rak'ahs in a standalone state if the prayer is four-rak'ah, and I did not catch the rak'ah so that my prayer would be counted as a congregational prayer?
The Shaykh : What is the evidence for what you are saying? I quoted to you just now.
The questioner : I want to catch the ruku' only.
The Shaykh : Listen, I quoted to you just now the saying of the Messenger:
and pray whatever you get (with the people) and complete the rest which you have missed
ما أدركتم فصلُّوا ، وما فاتكم فأتمُّواand pray whatever you get (with the people) and complete the rest which you have missed
ما أدركتم فصلُّوا ، وما فاتكم فأتمُّواThe questioner : Personally, I would say the taslim with him, and establish a new prayer... Brother Nasser.
The Shaykh: Good, what is the evidence for what you used to do?
The questioner: The evidence is that I did not catch the last rak'ah.
The Shaykh : This, may Allah bless you, pay attention, is not evidence; this is a claim. You are claiming something; for example, I claim against you that I lent you one thousand riyals one day, this is a claim; what is my evidence? My evidence, for example, is that I take a loan where you acknowledge that you borrowed from so-and-so such and such, this is evidence. But what is my claim? I have such and such against you, the evidence is that so-and-so testifies against you with such and such. We must distinguish between the claim and the evidence.
The questioner :
The Shaykh : Do not rush me if you wish, you are claiming, we are now asking about the evidence for this claim; do you have evidence?
The questioner : You shorten [the prayer] in the congregation behind the imam.
The Shaykh : This is a claim. If the man prayed alone, was his prayer valid?
The questioner : No... congregational prayer... individual prayer.
The Shaykh : Correct, but we mentioned just now examples of the one who caught the imam at the beginning of the prayer and the one who caught him before the taslim, and between them are degrees. Now let us give an example close to the latter: he sat, and barely had the imam finished the fourth rak'ah and sat for the tashahhud when he entered and sat with him; did this person catch the prayer?
The questioner : He caught it... there is the virtue of the congregation.
The Shaykh : May Allah bless you, we are saying the virtue of the congregation varies from case to case. This one who caught the obligatory congregational prayer in its entirety, this one who said after the imam said Allahu Akbar at the beginning of the prayer; this one caught the entire prayer. But the one who missed a rak'ah, did he catch the entire virtue of the congregation? And go down, go down, go down, go down, until you reach where? He caught from the prayer the imam's taslim. This one caught something; meaning, as they say: "Of the camel, its ear"; that is, if the matter turns between two who entered the mosque, one slower than the other, the first preceded him, sat for the tashahhud, and the imam said: Peace be upon you, the second did not catch the taslim. Are they equal, for example? They are not equal. But likewise, the one who caught the imam's takbirat al-ihram is not equal to the one who caught only the taslim; they are not equal. And between them are degrees and many degrees. So the more of the imam's prayer that is caught, the greater the reward, and vice versa...
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