The claim of some of the attendees that the Salaf hold the doctrine of tafwid.
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The questioner : Regarding the issue of understanding the verses of the names and attributes; anyone who reads and looks into the methodology of the Companions and the Tabi'un will find that they are indeed tafwid in their understanding of the attributes of Allah (Mighty and Majestic).
The Shaykh : What Allah willed! May Allah increase you...
The questioner : May Allah bless you...
The Shaykh : ... .
The questioner : I mean, most of them, when asked about this, would say that its interpretation is its recitation. This is... Ibn 'Uyaynah and others and others, this is the statement.
The Shaykh : But you were talking about the Companions, did you forget or what?
The questioner : No, I mean the Companions, like the Tabi'un and the imams of the Salaf.
The Shaykh : Do you mean to say that Ibn 'Uyaynah was a Companion?
The questioner : No.
The Shaykh : So then?
The questioner : The Companions' methodology is not known to be anything but tafwid without explanation and without questioning.
The Shaykh : This is just as we are telling you, but look, you made a leap like a gazelle! You jumped to Ibn 'Uyaynah!
The questioner : I mean the Salaf.
The Shaykh : Ah, the Salaf, so do not single out the Companions.
The questioner : The Salaf.
The Shaykh : The Salaf are tafwid, is that not so?!
The questioner : Tafwid; meaning they say that the understanding of these verses...
The Shaykh : But I am an honest advisor to you; do not record that the Salaf are tafwid!
The questioner : We do not hear the explanation... this is what has reached us.
The Shaykh : ...You will regret it, and there will be no time for regret, if you want to record, go ahead and record!
The questioner : We want to record because this... even until now.
The Shaykh : Yes, may Allah be pleased with you.
...
The questioner : ...I mean, a set of phrases is reported from them when, for example, Imam Malik said that asking about it is a religious innovation, that the Companions did not ask about these matters, but rather they passed them over according to their apparent meaning.
The Shaykh : But look, you took the Maliki athar from its tail and did not bring its head!
The questioner : It is known at the beginning, meaning...
The Shaykh : Is it permissible for you to take from its tail and not bring its head? ...
The questioner : I mean, when he was asked this... it does not mean, according to our understanding at least, that by Allah, istiwa' means exaltation.
The Shaykh : What Allah willed! We now have...
The questioner : There is an understanding... he said to him: Istiwa' is known, the how is unknown, and asking about it is a religious innovation.
The Shaykh : So is the question "Istiwa' is known" tafwid?
The questioner : This is if he said to him, yes.
The Shaykh : , question, you say: "Istiwa' is known" is tafwid?
The questioner : Tafwid, known means by the Book and the Sunnah, tafwid naturally, they did not say that istiwa' means exaltation like we understand it.
The Shaykh : What does "known" mean? Unknown?
The questioner : Known, no, known is not unknown, known in wording by the Qur'an and the Sunnah as the names and attributes came in the Qur'an and the Sunnah in their wording.
The Shaykh : Okay; does "known" mean "unknown"?
The questioner : No... "known" does not mean "unknown"!
The Shaykh : This is what I want, okay; does tafwid mean knowledge?
The questioner : Knowledge, naturally.
Another questioner: No.
The questioner : Tafwid?
Another questioner : Tafwid means lack of knowledge!!
The Shaykh : May Allah guide you, from here the written is clear from its title!
The questioner : Why?
The Shaykh : Does tafwid mean understanding and knowledge or lack of knowledge?
The questioner : No, I cannot call it ignorance, I cannot demolish this doctrine; meaning the word ignorance for a Companion!
The Shaykh : I did not say ignorance.
The questioner : Naturally, because lack of knowledge means it is equal to ignorance.
The Shaykh : So is it equal to knowledge?
The questioner : No, it is not equal to knowledge.
The Shaykh : So neither knowledge nor ignorance?
The questioner : No, it is a detail, it is equal to the knowledge of the detail.
The Shaykh : So neither knowledge nor ignorance?
The questioner : Ah, neither knowledge nor ignorance.
Another questioner : It is equal to submission to the known.
The questioner : ...to the apparent and only, passing it over as the text brought it; meaning I pass them over as they came.
Another questioner : There is no tafwid then.
The Shaykh : Did they pass them over as they came with understanding or without understanding?
The questioner : No, with understanding, but this understanding is not clear what it is?
The Shaykh : Okay, the understanding...
The questioner : No, it is not clear what it is, I said beforehand... all this talk that went on between us, I know what your viewpoint is.
The Shaykh : No, Tamir will not testify with you, do not testify him!
Another questioner : It is forbidden for you!
The Shaykh : Because he is listening now.
The questioner : This exists, do we lie to the dead? A living person is provided for, the man is present, ... I know - Professor - your viewpoint.
The Shaykh : What do you know?
The questioner : ...on nothing.
The Shaykh : Okay; if you know, why are you distorting?!
The questioner : I want to know from you now the detail and in front of the brothers so that they pay attention.
The Shaykh: No.
The questioner : Because tafwid, the doctrine of tafwid, is khalafi or salafi, this is the point!
The Shaykh : No, khalafi...
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : ...Tafwid is khalafi and not salafi; because tafwid means.
The questioner : What is the difference between the salafi and khalafi doctrine?
The Shaykh : Listen, I will answer you now.
The questioner : Tafwid...
The Shaykh : Tafwid means reading the texts related to the divine attributes without any understanding of them at all, as if a non-Arab read:[Al-Ikhlas 112:1-4]; he does not understand anything of the meaning of this verse, and he delegates the matter of its meaning to Allah (Blessed and Exalted is He); this is the meaning of tafwid, so he submits that this is a verse or a surah of the Qur'an, but...
The Shaykh : What Allah willed! May Allah increase you...
The questioner : May Allah bless you...
The Shaykh : ... .
The questioner : I mean, most of them, when asked about this, would say that its interpretation is its recitation. This is... Ibn 'Uyaynah and others and others, this is the statement.
The Shaykh : But you were talking about the Companions, did you forget or what?
The questioner : No, I mean the Companions, like the Tabi'un and the imams of the Salaf.
The Shaykh : Do you mean to say that Ibn 'Uyaynah was a Companion?
The questioner : No.
The Shaykh : So then?
The questioner : The Companions' methodology is not known to be anything but tafwid without explanation and without questioning.
The Shaykh : This is just as we are telling you, but look, you made a leap like a gazelle! You jumped to Ibn 'Uyaynah!
The questioner : I mean the Salaf.
The Shaykh : Ah, the Salaf, so do not single out the Companions.
The questioner : The Salaf.
The Shaykh : The Salaf are tafwid, is that not so?!
The questioner : Tafwid; meaning they say that the understanding of these verses...
The Shaykh : But I am an honest advisor to you; do not record that the Salaf are tafwid!
The questioner : We do not hear the explanation... this is what has reached us.
The Shaykh : ...You will regret it, and there will be no time for regret, if you want to record, go ahead and record!
The questioner : We want to record because this... even until now.
The Shaykh : Yes, may Allah be pleased with you.
...
The questioner : ...I mean, a set of phrases is reported from them when, for example, Imam Malik said that asking about it is a religious innovation, that the Companions did not ask about these matters, but rather they passed them over according to their apparent meaning.
The Shaykh : But look, you took the Maliki athar from its tail and did not bring its head!
The questioner : It is known at the beginning, meaning...
The Shaykh : Is it permissible for you to take from its tail and not bring its head? ...
The questioner : I mean, when he was asked this... it does not mean, according to our understanding at least, that by Allah, istiwa' means exaltation.
The Shaykh : What Allah willed! We now have...
The questioner : There is an understanding... he said to him: Istiwa' is known, the how is unknown, and asking about it is a religious innovation.
The Shaykh : So is the question "Istiwa' is known" tafwid?
The questioner : This is if he said to him, yes.
The Shaykh : , question, you say: "Istiwa' is known" is tafwid?
The questioner : Tafwid, known means by the Book and the Sunnah, tafwid naturally, they did not say that istiwa' means exaltation like we understand it.
The Shaykh : What does "known" mean? Unknown?
The questioner : Known, no, known is not unknown, known in wording by the Qur'an and the Sunnah as the names and attributes came in the Qur'an and the Sunnah in their wording.
The Shaykh : Okay; does "known" mean "unknown"?
The questioner : No... "known" does not mean "unknown"!
The Shaykh : This is what I want, okay; does tafwid mean knowledge?
The questioner : Knowledge, naturally.
Another questioner: No.
The questioner : Tafwid?
Another questioner : Tafwid means lack of knowledge!!
The Shaykh : May Allah guide you, from here the written is clear from its title!
The questioner : Why?
The Shaykh : Does tafwid mean understanding and knowledge or lack of knowledge?
The questioner : No, I cannot call it ignorance, I cannot demolish this doctrine; meaning the word ignorance for a Companion!
The Shaykh : I did not say ignorance.
The questioner : Naturally, because lack of knowledge means it is equal to ignorance.
The Shaykh : So is it equal to knowledge?
The questioner : No, it is not equal to knowledge.
The Shaykh : So neither knowledge nor ignorance?
The questioner : No, it is a detail, it is equal to the knowledge of the detail.
The Shaykh : So neither knowledge nor ignorance?
The questioner : Ah, neither knowledge nor ignorance.
Another questioner : It is equal to submission to the known.
The questioner : ...to the apparent and only, passing it over as the text brought it; meaning I pass them over as they came.
Another questioner : There is no tafwid then.
The Shaykh : Did they pass them over as they came with understanding or without understanding?
The questioner : No, with understanding, but this understanding is not clear what it is?
The Shaykh : Okay, the understanding...
The questioner : No, it is not clear what it is, I said beforehand... all this talk that went on between us, I know what your viewpoint is.
The Shaykh : No, Tamir will not testify with you, do not testify him!
Another questioner : It is forbidden for you!
The Shaykh : Because he is listening now.
The questioner : This exists, do we lie to the dead? A living person is provided for, the man is present, ... I know - Professor - your viewpoint.
The Shaykh : What do you know?
The questioner : ...on nothing.
The Shaykh : Okay; if you know, why are you distorting?!
The questioner : I want to know from you now the detail and in front of the brothers so that they pay attention.
The Shaykh: No.
The questioner : Because tafwid, the doctrine of tafwid, is khalafi or salafi, this is the point!
The Shaykh : No, khalafi...
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : ...Tafwid is khalafi and not salafi; because tafwid means.
The questioner : What is the difference between the salafi and khalafi doctrine?
The Shaykh : Listen, I will answer you now.
The questioner : Tafwid...
The Shaykh : Tafwid means reading the texts related to the divine attributes without any understanding of them at all, as if a non-Arab read:
(1) Say, "He is Allah, [who is] One, (2) Allah, the Eternal Refuge. (3) He neither begets nor is born, (4) Nor is there to Him any equivalent."
قُلْ هُوَ اللَّهُ أَحَدٌ * اللَّهُ الصَّمَدُ * لَمْ يَلِدْ وَلَمْ يُولَدْ * وَلَمْ يَكُنْ لَهُ كُفُوًا أَحَدٌ
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