The claim of some attendees that al-Bukhari and other imams hold the doctrine of tafwid.
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The questioner : Regarding the issue of understanding the verses of the names and attributes... whoever reads and looks into the methodology of the Companions and the Tabi'un will find that they are indeed tafwid in their understanding of the attributes of Allah (Mighty and Majestic).
The Shaykh : What Allah willed.
The questioner : Meaning, most of them, when asked about this, would say that interpreting them is reciting them. This is the statement of Ibn 'Uyaynah and others and others.
The Shaykh : But you were talking about the Companions, did you forget and miss it?
The questioner : About the Companions, meaning, and some of the Tabi'un and the imams of the Salaf.
The Shaykh : Do you understand better than Ibn 'Uyaynah? Is he a Companion?
The questioner : The Companion's methodology is not known except as tafwid without explanation and without questioning.
The Shaykh : But you jumped like a gazelle and ended up with Ibn 'Uyaynah!
The questioner : The Salaf.
The Shaykh : Ah, the Salaf. If you do not specify the Companions, the Salaf are not tafwid like that!
The questioner : Tafwid means we say that they understood these verses.
The Shaykh : ... I am with you, no, do not record that the Salaf are tafwid! ... If you want to record it, go ahead and record it!
The questioner : We record it for them because this is...
The Shaykh : May Allah be pleased with you.
The questioner : ... meaning, a set of phrases is reported from them when Imam Malik said: Asking about it is an innovation because the Companions did not ask about such matters, but they passed them over according to their apparent meaning.
The Shaykh : But you are presenting the Maliki athar from its tail without bringing its head.
The questioner : It is known...
The Shaykh : ... .
The questioner : ... according to our understanding, at least, that it means istiwa' means exaltation.
The Shaykh : What Allah willed.
The questioner : There is an understanding... he told him: Istiwa' is known, the how is unknown, and asking about it is an innovation.
The Shaykh : And asking is known? Is it tafwid?
The questioner : Known means in the Book and the Sunnah, tafwid is naturally, they did not say istiwa' means exaltation like the Khalaf who do not understand it.
The Shaykh : What does known and unknown mean?
The questioner : Known, not unknown. Known in wording by the Qur'an and the Sunnah, as the names and attributes came in the Qur'an and the Sunnah in their wording.
The Shaykh : Does known mean unknown?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Well, does tafwid mean knowledge?
The questioner : Knowledge, naturally.
The Shaykh : Tafwid means... it is clear from the title of the written text!
The questioner : Why!
The Shaykh : Does tafwid mean understanding and knowledge, or lack of knowledge?
The questioner : ... it spread from... I cannot negate this methodology, meaning, calling the Companion ignorant.
The Shaykh : I did not say ignorance.
The questioner : Lack of knowledge means it is equal to ignorance.
The Shaykh : So is it equal to knowledge?
The questioner : No, it is not equal to knowledge.
The Shaykh : So neither knowledge nor ignorance?
The questioner : Yes, neither knowledge nor ignorance.
The Shaykh : Did they pass it over as it came with understanding or without understanding?
The questioner : With understanding, but this understanding is not clear what it is? I said previously... I know what the viewpoint is.
The Shaykh : ... it did not go with you...
The questioner : This exists, we are lying to the dead... I know...
The Shaykh : What do you know...
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Well, if you know, why are you informing us!
The questioner : I want to know from you, in front of the brothers, the details: is the doctrine of tafwid Khalafi or Salafi?
The Shaykh : Tafwid is Khalafi and not Salafi, because tafwid means... reading the texts related to the divine attributes without any understanding of them at all, as if a non-Arab read[Al-Ikhlas 112:1-4], he does not understand anything of the meaning of this verse, and in mentioning the command, its meaning is to Allah (Blessed and Exalted is He). This is the meaning of tafwid, so he accepts that this verse or surah is from the Qur'an, but...
The Shaykh : What Allah willed.
The questioner : Meaning, most of them, when asked about this, would say that interpreting them is reciting them. This is the statement of Ibn 'Uyaynah and others and others.
The Shaykh : But you were talking about the Companions, did you forget and miss it?
The questioner : About the Companions, meaning, and some of the Tabi'un and the imams of the Salaf.
The Shaykh : Do you understand better than Ibn 'Uyaynah? Is he a Companion?
The questioner : The Companion's methodology is not known except as tafwid without explanation and without questioning.
The Shaykh : But you jumped like a gazelle and ended up with Ibn 'Uyaynah!
The questioner : The Salaf.
The Shaykh : Ah, the Salaf. If you do not specify the Companions, the Salaf are not tafwid like that!
The questioner : Tafwid means we say that they understood these verses.
The Shaykh : ... I am with you, no, do not record that the Salaf are tafwid! ... If you want to record it, go ahead and record it!
The questioner : We record it for them because this is...
The Shaykh : May Allah be pleased with you.
The questioner : ... meaning, a set of phrases is reported from them when Imam Malik said: Asking about it is an innovation because the Companions did not ask about such matters, but they passed them over according to their apparent meaning.
The Shaykh : But you are presenting the Maliki athar from its tail without bringing its head.
The questioner : It is known...
The Shaykh : ... .
The questioner : ... according to our understanding, at least, that it means istiwa' means exaltation.
The Shaykh : What Allah willed.
The questioner : There is an understanding... he told him: Istiwa' is known, the how is unknown, and asking about it is an innovation.
The Shaykh : And asking is known? Is it tafwid?
The questioner : Known means in the Book and the Sunnah, tafwid is naturally, they did not say istiwa' means exaltation like the Khalaf who do not understand it.
The Shaykh : What does known and unknown mean?
The questioner : Known, not unknown. Known in wording by the Qur'an and the Sunnah, as the names and attributes came in the Qur'an and the Sunnah in their wording.
The Shaykh : Does known mean unknown?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Well, does tafwid mean knowledge?
The questioner : Knowledge, naturally.
The Shaykh : Tafwid means... it is clear from the title of the written text!
The questioner : Why!
The Shaykh : Does tafwid mean understanding and knowledge, or lack of knowledge?
The questioner : ... it spread from... I cannot negate this methodology, meaning, calling the Companion ignorant.
The Shaykh : I did not say ignorance.
The questioner : Lack of knowledge means it is equal to ignorance.
The Shaykh : So is it equal to knowledge?
The questioner : No, it is not equal to knowledge.
The Shaykh : So neither knowledge nor ignorance?
The questioner : Yes, neither knowledge nor ignorance.
The Shaykh : Did they pass it over as it came with understanding or without understanding?
The questioner : With understanding, but this understanding is not clear what it is? I said previously... I know what the viewpoint is.
The Shaykh : ... it did not go with you...
The questioner : This exists, we are lying to the dead... I know...
The Shaykh : What do you know...
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Well, if you know, why are you informing us!
The questioner : I want to know from you, in front of the brothers, the details: is the doctrine of tafwid Khalafi or Salafi?
The Shaykh : Tafwid is Khalafi and not Salafi, because tafwid means... reading the texts related to the divine attributes without any understanding of them at all, as if a non-Arab read