A Note to Some Who Say: That Those Who Adopt the Methodology of the Salaf Are Strict in Some Issues, Such as the Issue of the Exaltation of Allah (Glorified and Exalted is He).
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The Shaykh: ... The words of their enemies.
The questioner: No ... from their words.
The Shaykh: No, you have taken it from their words.
The questioner: His words.
The Shaykh: And all you have done is answer from the words of their enemies. The first example we wanted to answer.
The questioner: This is an example ... .
The questioner: I have been careful in any case.
The Shaykh : How?
The questioner: I told you: It may be from his words, or it may be from people who are reporting about them.
The Shaykh: I am dying, I am almost dying from this noise, you are not giving us anything from this. You are now - may Allah bless you - taking a position where you want to prove that those who adopt the methodology of the Salaf have strictness, and you brought the first example, which is false regarding Ibn Taymiyyah; so have you brought another example that is established?
The questioner: The example I want to give is the example ... and the words ... meaning ... when ... we are sitting here and I said ... seven heavens.
The Shaykh: Yes, by Allah.
The questioner: Despite Imam Ahmad.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner: So naturally, your intention is that you are proving ... above the seven heavens.
The Shaykh: But I am warning you that you have changed your line now.
The questioner: I told you that I want to change, I told you: I will bring to you from the same thought.
The Shaykh: You are speaking about the thought of predecessors, not the thought of one community that you and I are in now, may Allah guide you, you are speaking about the thought of the predecessors; and therefore you started with an example you attributed to Ibn Taymiyyah, we told you: his enemies will mention this, so you need to bring a second example about him or about someone else, not about me; although I am not incapable of telling you that this is the truth; because the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) this indication that you saw, and perhaps you considered it part of the strictness or exaggeration, it is also from the Sunnah, but I am drawing your attention, stay on your first line; because if I were strict now; does that mean that the Salaf were strict?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: This is not what we understood from the beginning.
The questioner: ... all of them.
Another questioner: Meaning the Salafis in every time and place; that is what you intend.
The Shaykh: All right.
The questioner: No, let me clarify more, I do not intend by Salafiyyah - may Allah forbid - that it is intended for the Companions or intended for ... .
Another questioner: The concept of Salafis, meaning those who are called by this name.
The questioner: ... yes, they adopted these opinions and ... .
The Shaykh: All right.
The questioner: I believe, and the speech is not about targeting your words or from that, when I said: This means that this is the intended meaning ... rather this is a hadith from the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) to the end, or even ... the intended meaning is how the speech is used?
The Shaykh: All right.
The questioner: And how the concept is derived from it?
The Shaykh: All right.
The questioner: I see that there is strictness; meaning that this is its meaning, above means above, in the sky means in the sky, there may be something where one says that with the same concept we speak of[Ash-Shuraa 42:11] Hearing not like our hearing, and Sight not like our sight, that the above-ness ... is above-ness but also not in the perception that we understand that this is above this, or descended not in the descent that one puts his foot and descends, the seventh heaven does not mean a space within the seventh heaven or above the seventh heaven.
The Shaykh: May Allah forgive you, may Allah forgive you!!
The questioner: If all this is valid ... .
The Shaykh: You - my brother - may Allah guide you, may Allah guide you, first, no one says this, it is not necessary like this, it is not necessary like this, no one says this, but you changed your line, you said there is strictness in it that you noticed from what you read; so what is this strictness? You say it is not necessary that the above-ness be like the above-ness of this on this, who says otherwise? You changed your line, you changed in the sense that it became clear to you that your speech was wrong, admit it, my brother, and admitting error is the essence of correctness, and if you are not, you are wrong, follow the line, and bring us the examples, we care to see the examples, we care to see the strictness that you attributed to those who adopted the line of the Salaf, so first you brought the example, we showed you this example is not correct, you came and brought a second example from our current reality, we told you: you are speaking about the past, not the present, and finally you returned to say that the above-ness is not its meaning like this, who said its meaning is like this? Since we repeat to your ears ...[Ash-Shuraa 42:11], Our rising is not like His rising, well; this is what all Salafis believe in this creed, so now what are you hovering around? Who knows?
The questioner: That when ... you sit with us and ask: Where is Allah? And you insist on us that the answer be.
The Shaykh: To whom am I asking? May Allah guide you, may Allah guide you, may Allah guide you, Mr. Adnan, to whom do we ask: Where is Allah?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: No, you are completely wrong, I tell you: perhaps you are not wrong, but this is a mistake that can now be considered a mistake, one day you or someone else does not have a correct idea about the Salafi call and their belief in the divine attributes, and this is what we are actually doing; because a man from one of the parties comes and says: You are such and such and such and so on. I tell him: My brother, our call is not based only on what you spread about us, moving the finger in prayer, hanging the picture is not permissible, hanging the clock in the mosque, and so on, we are researching in creed, he tells you: Is there disagreement in creed? Yes, there is great disagreement, and the subject follows; well; let us enter into an experiment, please; Where is Allah? He stares with his eyes like this ... what is this question? And people of all shapes and colors, some tell you: This question is not permissible, and it comes in the hadith as you know, and so on; in such an occasion we direct the question, but I tell you now: Where is Allah? How does this speech come from you? A strange matter.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: Yes, by Allah.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: Yes, by Allah, and by Allah you spoke the truth.
The questioner: ... this question was asked to a group of people and I was among them a few years ago at Abu Ahmad's house.
The Shaykh: And I, and I am now telling you it [The Shaykh laughs!].
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: Of course, I ask, but it was not answered.
Another questioner: ... Where is Allah?
The Shaykh: To whom am I asking? I ask those who are present.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: Those who ask are in doubt, in doubt about their creed, in doubt about their faith in Allah (Mighty and Majestic).
The questioner: I like this - also - the place of His existence, and so on, it also needs to have a specific concept for Allah (Glorified and Exalted is He) that differs from the concept of.
The Shaykh: Also, it is like that issue of above-ness, yes, like that, but who says otherwise.
The questioner: We did not see this speech ... meaning.
Another questioner : My master...
The questioner: We did not see these Imams who say they asked the maid, and so on, that it must be understood from them that it has another meaning; well, what is your argument?
The Shaykh: What does it mean, this is a problem, you intend another meaning, what other meaning?
The questioner: What meaning?
The Shaykh: What is this? You are saying.
The questioner: The Imams are.
The Shaykh: Yes, yes, it has another meaning, what does it mean?
The questioner: Another meaning; meaning regarding Allah (Glorified and Exalted is He), the place of existence is not considered like what we understand - for example -, this is the intended meaning; because[Ash-Shuraa 42:11].
The Shaykh: Who says otherwise?
The questioner: This speech is not said in the context of discussing Where is Allah?
The Shaykh: Well; is it not said like this?
The questioner: Even your speech with the Syrian who we were at Dr. Isam's house, you tell him: This Shaykh, you must understand with him from where the shoulder is eaten, and so on, and you finished, you said all your speech to this hadith of the maid.
The questioner: No ... from their words.
The Shaykh: No, you have taken it from their words.
The questioner: His words.
The Shaykh: And all you have done is answer from the words of their enemies. The first example we wanted to answer.
The questioner: This is an example ... .
The questioner: I have been careful in any case.
The Shaykh : How?
The questioner: I told you: It may be from his words, or it may be from people who are reporting about them.
The Shaykh: I am dying, I am almost dying from this noise, you are not giving us anything from this. You are now - may Allah bless you - taking a position where you want to prove that those who adopt the methodology of the Salaf have strictness, and you brought the first example, which is false regarding Ibn Taymiyyah; so have you brought another example that is established?
The questioner: The example I want to give is the example ... and the words ... meaning ... when ... we are sitting here and I said ... seven heavens.
The Shaykh: Yes, by Allah.
The questioner: Despite Imam Ahmad.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner: So naturally, your intention is that you are proving ... above the seven heavens.
The Shaykh: But I am warning you that you have changed your line now.
The questioner: I told you that I want to change, I told you: I will bring to you from the same thought.
The Shaykh: You are speaking about the thought of predecessors, not the thought of one community that you and I are in now, may Allah guide you, you are speaking about the thought of the predecessors; and therefore you started with an example you attributed to Ibn Taymiyyah, we told you: his enemies will mention this, so you need to bring a second example about him or about someone else, not about me; although I am not incapable of telling you that this is the truth; because the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) this indication that you saw, and perhaps you considered it part of the strictness or exaggeration, it is also from the Sunnah, but I am drawing your attention, stay on your first line; because if I were strict now; does that mean that the Salaf were strict?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: This is not what we understood from the beginning.
The questioner: ... all of them.
Another questioner: Meaning the Salafis in every time and place; that is what you intend.
The Shaykh: All right.
The questioner: No, let me clarify more, I do not intend by Salafiyyah - may Allah forbid - that it is intended for the Companions or intended for ... .
Another questioner: The concept of Salafis, meaning those who are called by this name.
The questioner: ... yes, they adopted these opinions and ... .
The Shaykh: All right.
The questioner: I believe, and the speech is not about targeting your words or from that, when I said: This means that this is the intended meaning ... rather this is a hadith from the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) to the end, or even ... the intended meaning is how the speech is used?
The Shaykh: All right.
The questioner: And how the concept is derived from it?
The Shaykh: All right.
The questioner: I see that there is strictness; meaning that this is its meaning, above means above, in the sky means in the sky, there may be something where one says that with the same concept we speak of
and He is the Hearing, the Seeing.
وَهُوَ السَّمِيعُ الْبَصِيرُThe Shaykh: May Allah forgive you, may Allah forgive you!!
The questioner: If all this is valid ... .
The Shaykh: You - my brother - may Allah guide you, may Allah guide you, first, no one says this, it is not necessary like this, it is not necessary like this, no one says this, but you changed your line, you said there is strictness in it that you noticed from what you read; so what is this strictness? You say it is not necessary that the above-ness be like the above-ness of this on this, who says otherwise? You changed your line, you changed in the sense that it became clear to you that your speech was wrong, admit it, my brother, and admitting error is the essence of correctness, and if you are not, you are wrong, follow the line, and bring us the examples, we care to see the examples, we care to see the strictness that you attributed to those who adopted the line of the Salaf, so first you brought the example, we showed you this example is not correct, you came and brought a second example from our current reality, we told you: you are speaking about the past, not the present, and finally you returned to say that the above-ness is not its meaning like this, who said its meaning is like this? Since we repeat to your ears ...
There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the Hearing, the Seeing.
لَيْسَ كَمِثْلِهِ شَيْءٌ وَهُوَ السَّمِيعُ الْبَصِيرُThe questioner: That when ... you sit with us and ask: Where is Allah? And you insist on us that the answer be.
The Shaykh: To whom am I asking? May Allah guide you, may Allah guide you, may Allah guide you, Mr. Adnan, to whom do we ask: Where is Allah?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: No, you are completely wrong, I tell you: perhaps you are not wrong, but this is a mistake that can now be considered a mistake, one day you or someone else does not have a correct idea about the Salafi call and their belief in the divine attributes, and this is what we are actually doing; because a man from one of the parties comes and says: You are such and such and such and so on. I tell him: My brother, our call is not based only on what you spread about us, moving the finger in prayer, hanging the picture is not permissible, hanging the clock in the mosque, and so on, we are researching in creed, he tells you: Is there disagreement in creed? Yes, there is great disagreement, and the subject follows; well; let us enter into an experiment, please; Where is Allah? He stares with his eyes like this ... what is this question? And people of all shapes and colors, some tell you: This question is not permissible, and it comes in the hadith as you know, and so on; in such an occasion we direct the question, but I tell you now: Where is Allah? How does this speech come from you? A strange matter.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: Yes, by Allah.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: Yes, by Allah, and by Allah you spoke the truth.
The questioner: ... this question was asked to a group of people and I was among them a few years ago at Abu Ahmad's house.
The Shaykh: And I, and I am now telling you it [The Shaykh laughs!].
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: Of course, I ask, but it was not answered.
Another questioner: ... Where is Allah?
The Shaykh: To whom am I asking? I ask those who are present.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: Those who ask are in doubt, in doubt about their creed, in doubt about their faith in Allah (Mighty and Majestic).
The questioner: I like this - also - the place of His existence, and so on, it also needs to have a specific concept for Allah (Glorified and Exalted is He) that differs from the concept of.
The Shaykh: Also, it is like that issue of above-ness, yes, like that, but who says otherwise.
The questioner: We did not see this speech ... meaning.
Another questioner : My master...
The questioner: We did not see these Imams who say they asked the maid, and so on, that it must be understood from them that it has another meaning; well, what is your argument?
The Shaykh: What does it mean, this is a problem, you intend another meaning, what other meaning?
The questioner: What meaning?
The Shaykh: What is this? You are saying.
The questioner: The Imams are.
The Shaykh: Yes, yes, it has another meaning, what does it mean?
The questioner: Another meaning; meaning regarding Allah (Glorified and Exalted is He), the place of existence is not considered like what we understand - for example -, this is the intended meaning; because
There is nothing like unto Him
لَيْسَ كَمِثْلِهِ شَيْءٌThe Shaykh: Who says otherwise?
The questioner: This speech is not said in the context of discussing Where is Allah?
The Shaykh: Well; is it not said like this?
The questioner: Even your speech with the Syrian who we were at Dr. Isam's house, you tell him: This Shaykh, you must understand with him from where the shoulder is eaten, and so on, and you finished, you said all your speech to this hadith of the maid.
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