What is your comment on what the Shaykh al-Islam transmitted from Ibn 'Abbas regarding a mouse falling into fat and oil, which he attributed to *Masail Salih* by his father Ahmad ibn Hanbal, and which I did not find?
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The questioner : He is currently researching the issue of a mouse falling into oil, fat, and the like. He came across a transmission in *al-Fatawa* where the Shaykh al-Islam quotes from Ibn 'Abbas and Ibn Mas'ud, as if Salih ibn Ahmad narrated it in his *Masail* for his father. So I am here with a copy to verify the chain of narration that the Shaykh al-Islam presented, but I did not find it in this copy.
The Shaykh : Which copy?
The questioner : This one we have, *Masail Salih*.
The Shaykh : *Masail Salih*, what?
The questioner : So, for example, do we consider that the Shaykh al-Islam transmitted it from a second copy?
The Shaykh : What is the transmitted text?
The questioner : He transmitted the report of Ibn 'Abbas regarding a mouse falling into oil.
The Shaykh : So, what is the falling of a mouse into oil mentioned in the hadith? The falling of a mouse into fat.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : What is the benefit of what he mentioned, or what is the specific feature in it?
The questioner : The Shaykh al-Islam mentioned the fatwa of Ibn 'Abbas and his opinion in this matter, and it is present in *Masail Salih* for his father.
The Shaykh: All right.
The questioner : He needs to verify the transmission.
The Shaykh : If we rule it as abolished, do we lose anything?
The questioner: No.
The Shaykh : So, what is the importance of this?
The questioner : It is just for the sake of verifying the transmission.
The Shaykh : What you are asking about is that it is possible, meaning, it could be a second copy. This is possible, and it is possible that the Shaykh was mistaken, especially given the abundance of his memorization, may Allah will it. But what is the importance?
The questioner : I want to see if I can find the text itself, perhaps there is something in it.
The Shaykh : Look.
The questioner : "Ibn 'Abbas was asked about a mouse that died in fat? He said: The mouse and what is around it should be taken out. I said: O our master, but its trace was in all the fat. He said: You have been bitten by your father's hen; its trace was in the fat while it was alive, and it died where it was found This is, for example.
The Shaykh : ... Salih's letters, not found.
The questioner : Yes, my Shaykh, I reviewed it and did not find this report, and he presented its chain of narration.
The Shaykh : Through the route of al-Zuhri, do you remember this?
The questioner : By Allah, I do not remember, my Shaykh, but...
The Shaykh : The route of al-Zuhri is that he issues a fatwa based on the apparent meaning of the hadith.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : Meaning, he does not distinguish between solid and liquid, and he is the narrator of the hadith.
The questioner : Yes, my Shaykh, I remember a research, either in *al-Da'if* or in *al-Sahih*, discussing the Shaykh al-Islam's first fatwa and then his return to another opinion, which you preferred, that he does not distinguish.
The Shaykh : And that is where we ended what we found from *Masail Salih*, and after that there is a page with an issue regarding the repentance of an apostate, and it appears that someone from inside the book transmitted it. This indication is sufficient for us now to indicate that the report the Shaykh al-Islam transmitted from *Masail Salih* is likely that the Shaykh memorizes well, and that the printed copy of the *Masail* now is not complete, because here now you have two reports, one through the route of Ikrimah from Ibn 'Abbas, and the other through the route of Ikrimah who said: A man came to Ibn 'Abbas. So I reviewed this heading and it has no mention. There remains another heading, and it is al-Nadr ibn 'Arabi, which is not correct.
The questioner : I, my Shaykh, traced all the narrations of Ikrimah that he presented here and did not find them.
The Shaykh : Which copy?
The questioner : This one we have, *Masail Salih*.
The Shaykh : *Masail Salih*, what?
The questioner : So, for example, do we consider that the Shaykh al-Islam transmitted it from a second copy?
The Shaykh : What is the transmitted text?
The questioner : He transmitted the report of Ibn 'Abbas regarding a mouse falling into oil.
The Shaykh : So, what is the falling of a mouse into oil mentioned in the hadith? The falling of a mouse into fat.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : What is the benefit of what he mentioned, or what is the specific feature in it?
The questioner : The Shaykh al-Islam mentioned the fatwa of Ibn 'Abbas and his opinion in this matter, and it is present in *Masail Salih* for his father.
The Shaykh: All right.
The questioner : He needs to verify the transmission.
The Shaykh : If we rule it as abolished, do we lose anything?
The questioner: No.
The Shaykh : So, what is the importance of this?
The questioner : It is just for the sake of verifying the transmission.
The Shaykh : What you are asking about is that it is possible, meaning, it could be a second copy. This is possible, and it is possible that the Shaykh was mistaken, especially given the abundance of his memorization, may Allah will it. But what is the importance?
The questioner : I want to see if I can find the text itself, perhaps there is something in it.
The Shaykh : Look.
The questioner : "Ibn 'Abbas was asked about a mouse that died in fat? He said: The mouse and what is around it should be taken out. I said: O our master, but its trace was in all the fat. He said: You have been bitten by your father's hen; its trace was in the fat while it was alive, and it died where it was found This is, for example.
The Shaykh : ... Salih's letters, not found.
The questioner : Yes, my Shaykh, I reviewed it and did not find this report, and he presented its chain of narration.
The Shaykh : Through the route of al-Zuhri, do you remember this?
The questioner : By Allah, I do not remember, my Shaykh, but...
The Shaykh : The route of al-Zuhri is that he issues a fatwa based on the apparent meaning of the hadith.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : Meaning, he does not distinguish between solid and liquid, and he is the narrator of the hadith.
The questioner : Yes, my Shaykh, I remember a research, either in *al-Da'if* or in *al-Sahih*, discussing the Shaykh al-Islam's first fatwa and then his return to another opinion, which you preferred, that he does not distinguish.
The Shaykh : And that is where we ended what we found from *Masail Salih*, and after that there is a page with an issue regarding the repentance of an apostate, and it appears that someone from inside the book transmitted it. This indication is sufficient for us now to indicate that the report the Shaykh al-Islam transmitted from *Masail Salih* is likely that the Shaykh memorizes well, and that the printed copy of the *Masail* now is not complete, because here now you have two reports, one through the route of Ikrimah from Ibn 'Abbas, and the other through the route of Ikrimah who said: A man came to Ibn 'Abbas. So I reviewed this heading and it has no mention. There remains another heading, and it is al-Nadr ibn 'Arabi, which is not correct.
The questioner : I, my Shaykh, traced all the narrations of Ikrimah that he presented here and did not find them.
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