Discussion on the tracing of some of the narrators of hadith.
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The questioner : The Khurasani imam, all of them before 'Abd Allah ibn al-Mubarak, my Shaykh, do they have supporting narrations for them? Do you have anything?
The Shaykh : 'Abd Allah ibn al-Mubarak, I have it under him, it goes back to Sulayman—yes, and peace and Allah's mercy be upon you.
The questioner : ... the most important thing.
The Shaykh : That is it.
The questioner : My Shaykh, do you have the number for the middle volume, please?
The Shaykh : By Allah, I ... the long one is two hundred and fifty-two, look at the photocopied copies you have.
The questioner: Yes.
The student : The Majma', of course, my Shaykh.
The Shaykh : What?
The questioner : The Majma'.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : What is the number, please?
The Shaykh : Excuse me, you are saying the Majma'.
The questioner : "Majma' al-Bahrain" or "al-Awsat" this one?
The Shaykh : ... .
The questioner : This is it, what was the page?
The Shaykh : The first is two hundred and forty-two, the second side, and the number is four thousand three hundred and forty-eight.
The questioner : Then it is a mistake, my Shaykh, the page number is two hundred and fifty-three.
The Shaykh : And the number is four thousand three hundred and forty-eight.
The questioner : The number is correct.
The Shaykh : Ah, fifty-three.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : And the second side.
The questioner : And the second side is correct.
The student : My Shaykh, if Allah wills, there is benefit in it.
The Shaykh : It is not clear because ...
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : And I wrote it in ... in the end of the research, and in the prohibition of those rulers having a condition or a jaziyyah or what?
The questioner : A jabiyyah.
The Shaykh : Yes, a jabiyyah, other hadiths corroborate its authenticity from him (peace and blessings be upon him), the author's virtue, 'Abd al-Razzaq, al-Tabarani's al-Kabir, and the weak ones, five hundred and nine.
The questioner : Good, meaning there is a group of ...
The Shaykh : Yes, that is right.
The questioner : My Shaykh, it is the same two men.
The Shaykh : The same two men.
The questioner : 'Ali ibn Muhammad al-Thaqafi, Mu'awiyah ibn al-Haytham ...
The Shaykh : Okay, then we need to look now at the history of al-Qatifi, what is the first hadith you have?
The questioner : Its history is found, two hundred and twelve, sixty-three.
The Shaykh: How so?
The questioner : Part twelve, sixty-three.
The Shaykh : Where is it found?
The questioner : In al-Khatib, do you have the number?
The Shaykh : No, it is not there.
The questioner : It is part twelve, page sixty-three.
The Shaykh : Who is saying it is found in twelve?
The questioner : This is what the researcher obtained.
The Shaykh : Okay, and he is not mentioning what the path of the research is.
The questioner : He wrote that it is the same thing, 'Ali ibn Muhammad al-Thaqafi.
The Shaykh : Yes, volume twelve, what page?
The questioner : Sixty-three, my Shaykh.
The Shaykh : Sixty-three.
The questioner : Yes, yes, this is beautiful, by Allah.
The Shaykh : I must, excuse me.
The questioner : Please, my Shaykh.
The Shaykh : We had to say, and from him al-Khatib.
The questioner : He narrated it from al-Tabarani directly.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : Beautiful, by Allah.
The student : ... .
Another student: I have done it.
Another student: This, my Shaykh ...
Another student: ...
Another student: ...
Another student: No, it is not working.
Another student: It is not working.
Another student: Meaning the old one was burned and we ...
Another student: And he is a Shaykh who is not bad.
The Shaykh : He transferred it here.
The questioner : He transferred it in this book, very good.
The Shaykh : But ... he did not pay attention to it, he took what suited him.
The student : And al-Asadi, who is the same person.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner: Allahu Akbar.
The Shaykh : Do you want ... we do not have it.
The questioner : No, my Shaykh, move inside.
The student : Dawud ibn Sulayman, who they call al-Asadi, here we have him described as Khurasani, here it is not at all, it seems he rounded off a Dawud ibn Sulayman and put him there.
The Shaykh : It is possible it is someone else.
The questioner : Someone else, because he is Dawud ibn Sulayman from Khazn ibn Jabalah, why here Khazn from Jabalah, he said al-Asadi is very weak, ah, he wrote Khurasani.
The Shaykh : Where is it here?
The questioner : It is in Khurasani itself.
The Shaykh : Later, meaning.
The questioner : Ah, but now his narration from Khazn ibn Jabalah is not mentioned here, no one pays attention to it.
Another student: He is from ... I believe in his idea that Zayd is zero to zeros from those who denied.
The Shaykh : A material you are leaving, a material that exists in al-Kashf of his Shaykh.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : He did not bring it in the Mukhtasar al-Zawa'ir, and he mentioned in the introduction that what was not in al-Kashf from what Imam Ahmad narrated, he was content with it and did not include it in the abridgment.
The questioner : There are other things.
The Shaykh : But there are many things, what is his plan, it is not clear practically, nor did he clarify that in the introduction.
The questioner : My Shaykh, there is a point.
The Shaykh : Then the arrangement is very different, meaning the hadith number, for example, one, two, three, you go back there and find it coming in another place.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Okay, go ahead, what do you have?
The Shaykh : 'Abd Allah ibn al-Mubarak, I have it under him, it goes back to Sulayman—yes, and peace and Allah's mercy be upon you.
The questioner : ... the most important thing.
The Shaykh : That is it.
The questioner : My Shaykh, do you have the number for the middle volume, please?
The Shaykh : By Allah, I ... the long one is two hundred and fifty-two, look at the photocopied copies you have.
The questioner: Yes.
The student : The Majma', of course, my Shaykh.
The Shaykh : What?
The questioner : The Majma'.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : What is the number, please?
The Shaykh : Excuse me, you are saying the Majma'.
The questioner : "Majma' al-Bahrain" or "al-Awsat" this one?
The Shaykh : ... .
The questioner : This is it, what was the page?
The Shaykh : The first is two hundred and forty-two, the second side, and the number is four thousand three hundred and forty-eight.
The questioner : Then it is a mistake, my Shaykh, the page number is two hundred and fifty-three.
The Shaykh : And the number is four thousand three hundred and forty-eight.
The questioner : The number is correct.
The Shaykh : Ah, fifty-three.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : And the second side.
The questioner : And the second side is correct.
The student : My Shaykh, if Allah wills, there is benefit in it.
The Shaykh : It is not clear because ...
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : And I wrote it in ... in the end of the research, and in the prohibition of those rulers having a condition or a jaziyyah or what?
The questioner : A jabiyyah.
The Shaykh : Yes, a jabiyyah, other hadiths corroborate its authenticity from him (peace and blessings be upon him), the author's virtue, 'Abd al-Razzaq, al-Tabarani's al-Kabir, and the weak ones, five hundred and nine.
The questioner : Good, meaning there is a group of ...
The Shaykh : Yes, that is right.
The questioner : My Shaykh, it is the same two men.
The Shaykh : The same two men.
The questioner : 'Ali ibn Muhammad al-Thaqafi, Mu'awiyah ibn al-Haytham ...
The Shaykh : Okay, then we need to look now at the history of al-Qatifi, what is the first hadith you have?
The questioner : Its history is found, two hundred and twelve, sixty-three.
The Shaykh: How so?
The questioner : Part twelve, sixty-three.
The Shaykh : Where is it found?
The questioner : In al-Khatib, do you have the number?
The Shaykh : No, it is not there.
The questioner : It is part twelve, page sixty-three.
The Shaykh : Who is saying it is found in twelve?
The questioner : This is what the researcher obtained.
The Shaykh : Okay, and he is not mentioning what the path of the research is.
The questioner : He wrote that it is the same thing, 'Ali ibn Muhammad al-Thaqafi.
The Shaykh : Yes, volume twelve, what page?
The questioner : Sixty-three, my Shaykh.
The Shaykh : Sixty-three.
The questioner : Yes, yes, this is beautiful, by Allah.
The Shaykh : I must, excuse me.
The questioner : Please, my Shaykh.
The Shaykh : We had to say, and from him al-Khatib.
The questioner : He narrated it from al-Tabarani directly.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : Beautiful, by Allah.
The student : ... .
Another student: I have done it.
Another student: This, my Shaykh ...
Another student: ...
Another student: ...
Another student: No, it is not working.
Another student: It is not working.
Another student: Meaning the old one was burned and we ...
Another student: And he is a Shaykh who is not bad.
The Shaykh : He transferred it here.
The questioner : He transferred it in this book, very good.
The Shaykh : But ... he did not pay attention to it, he took what suited him.
The student : And al-Asadi, who is the same person.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner: Allahu Akbar.
The Shaykh : Do you want ... we do not have it.
The questioner : No, my Shaykh, move inside.
The student : Dawud ibn Sulayman, who they call al-Asadi, here we have him described as Khurasani, here it is not at all, it seems he rounded off a Dawud ibn Sulayman and put him there.
The Shaykh : It is possible it is someone else.
The questioner : Someone else, because he is Dawud ibn Sulayman from Khazn ibn Jabalah, why here Khazn from Jabalah, he said al-Asadi is very weak, ah, he wrote Khurasani.
The Shaykh : Where is it here?
The questioner : It is in Khurasani itself.
The Shaykh : Later, meaning.
The questioner : Ah, but now his narration from Khazn ibn Jabalah is not mentioned here, no one pays attention to it.
Another student: He is from ... I believe in his idea that Zayd is zero to zeros from those who denied.
The Shaykh : A material you are leaving, a material that exists in al-Kashf of his Shaykh.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : He did not bring it in the Mukhtasar al-Zawa'ir, and he mentioned in the introduction that what was not in al-Kashf from what Imam Ahmad narrated, he was content with it and did not include it in the abridgment.
The questioner : There are other things.
The Shaykh : But there are many things, what is his plan, it is not clear practically, nor did he clarify that in the introduction.
The questioner : My Shaykh, there is a point.
The Shaykh : Then the arrangement is very different, meaning the hadith number, for example, one, two, three, you go back there and find it coming in another place.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Okay, go ahead, what do you have?
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