A hadith discussion.
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The questioner: ... What is the grade of the hadith?
The Shaykh: In my opinion, this narrator is unknown, and it is mentioned, perhaps, in "Taqrib al-Tahdhib" by al-Hafiz Ibn Hajar.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Yes?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: They should give it to us; he usually describes her as: acceptable.
Eid Abbasi : ... .
The Shaykh : Oh?
Eid Abbasi: Meaning, not acceptable.
The Shaykh: Not acceptable. If it was in my memory... otherwise, let us see now what the Hafiz says.
Yes.
Eid Abbasi: The one speaking is al-Rabab, and she is addressing the words to Sahl... so I said: "My master."
The Shaykh : ... .
Eid Abbasi: It may be...
The Shaykh: Did you notice that this address is not to the Messenger? Yes, give it to him so he can see.
Eid Abbasi: She said...
The Shaykh: Meaning, this Tabi'i (successor) said to the Companion Sahl: "My master."
Eid Abbasi : ... .
The Shaykh : And upon you be peace, and the mercy of Allah and His blessings.
Eid Abbasi: Unless it was...
The Shaykh: Yes? ... If you have two volumes, then the second one.
Eid Abbasi: Bring both.
The questioner : ... .
Eid Abbasi: Is she a Companion such that she addresses the Messenger (peace be upon him)? She narrates from Sahl.
The questioner : ... .
Eid Abbasi: No, Sahl narrates the meaning of the Messenger's (peace be upon him) words without attributing them to him.
The questioner: I said: "My master"...
Eid Abbasi: Is a Companion prevented from saying a Prophetic hadith?
The questioner: Nothing prevents it, but...
Eid Abbasi: Sometimes it is.
The Shaykh: This—may Allah bless you—is a matter in which we should not speak unless we have verified the authenticity of the chain.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh: So if the chain is authentic, then a discussion takes place; but if the chain is weak, we are all relieved.
Eid Abbasi: It is carried as I mentioned.
The Shaykh: Yes.
Eid Abbasi : ... .
The Shaykh : ... ؟
Eid Abbasi: He says about...
The Shaykh: Yes.
Eid Abbasi: ... so as you see, she is a Tabi'i... from the middle of the Tabi'un, not their great ones.
The Shaykh: So we have known it and are relieved; the hadith is weak in its chain, and this is a term of al-Hafiz Ibn Hajar that students of knowledge should know. Bring it so we can see; is this the edition you got involved with?
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh: It is not possible for such an error to occur, but the error is from the transmitter, and Allah knows best.
The questioner: What is the term... that must be known?
The Shaykh: ... two copies.
Eid Abbasi : ... .
The Shaykh: ... Yes?
Eid Abbasi : ... .
The questioner: ... between the two statements.
The Shaykh: Give it to me... Ah, I was misled from here, meaning: close to a hadith. You transmitted it faithfully, but this is a typographical error, and it is close. Al-Bukhari said: "He is close to a hadith." So if they wanted to advise the Ummah in printing, he would have put "he is close to a hadith" in small parentheses. He said: "Al-Bukhari said: He is close to a hadith, and Abu Hatim weakened it." This gives the impression that the entire phrase is a statement by al-Bukhari: "Close to a hadith, weakened by Abu Hatim and Ibn Hibban, and al-Tirmidhi said: The practice is based on this, and so on." Whereas al-Bukhari is earlier than all of them. So the correct expression is: "And al-Bukhari said: He is close to a hadith." A new sentence: "Abu Hatim and Ibn Hibban weakened it."
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Yes?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: Yes, and al-Tirmidhi said: "The practice is based on this with most of the scholars that it is... and the hadith, and so on." And al-Tabarani narrated it, and... even though Abu Hatim and Ibn Hibban weakened it. There, his statement precedes: "Abu Hatim and Ibn Hibban weakened it." Here he says: "Even though." He is stating a phrase but with doubt... whereas here you transmitted his phrase. The phrase is repeated without saying: "Even though." First, you dropped Abd al-Rahman here.
Eid Abbasi: Ibn.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Later.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Yes?
The questioner : Likewise ... .
...
The Shaykh: Also—my brother—without blame for poor transmission.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: Calm down—my brother—you are saying: How can Ahmad say: "I do not write the hadith of al-Afriqi?" He said: "And I saw Muhammad ibn Ismail strengthening his case." The hadith with its chain... al-Tirmidhi said: "We only know it from the hadith of al-Afriqi, and it is weak with the people of hadith; Yahya ibn Sa'id al-Qattan and others weakened it." Ahmad said: "I do not write the hadith of al-Afriqi."
Eid Abbasi: He means al-Tirmidhi, here it would be.
The Shaykh: Yes, he said: "And I saw it from Ismail... he says: He is close to a hadith, and the practice is based on this with most..."
: Okay; do you have any remaining issue?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Yes?
The questioner: The hadith of the other chapter...
The Shaykh: You say: the other chapter?
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh: Where is the other chapter?
The questioner: The hadith...
The Shaykh: This is an affirmation, another hadith, not another chapter.
Eid Abbasi : ... .
The Shaykh: Here the hadith is weak.
The questioner: Yes ... .
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner: ... and I prefer the statement of... ...
The Shaykh: ... ... What does al-Shawkani say?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: Okay; was he late or early, what is the conclusion?
The questioner: He says...
The Shaykh: Do not say what he does not say. You say what you derived from his words, what is the summary?
The questioner: The summary is that al-Shawkani... taking the hadith of...
The Shaykh: The weak hadith, meaning.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: How, when he says that the scholars agreed that it is permissible for one man to call the adhan and another to give the iqamah, and they differed on the preference; so most of them said: There is no difference, and the matter is broad.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: In the end, does he say otherwise? Okay; and another gives the iqamah, that it is permissible, and so on. Then Malik and most of the people of Hijaz, Abu Hanifa and most of the people of Kufa, and Abu Thawr... the scholars, such and such...
Eid Abbasi : ... .
The Shaykh: Then taking the hadith of... is more preferable.
Eid Abbasi: Yes ... .
The Shaykh: In any case, the issue is as transmitted from... the matter is broad.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Yes?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: This... we set a study curriculum, this needs to...
The Shaykh: In my opinion, this narrator is unknown, and it is mentioned, perhaps, in "Taqrib al-Tahdhib" by al-Hafiz Ibn Hajar.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Yes?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: They should give it to us; he usually describes her as: acceptable.
Eid Abbasi : ... .
The Shaykh : Oh?
Eid Abbasi: Meaning, not acceptable.
The Shaykh: Not acceptable. If it was in my memory... otherwise, let us see now what the Hafiz says.
Yes.
Eid Abbasi: The one speaking is al-Rabab, and she is addressing the words to Sahl... so I said: "My master."
The Shaykh : ... .
Eid Abbasi: It may be...
The Shaykh: Did you notice that this address is not to the Messenger? Yes, give it to him so he can see.
Eid Abbasi: She said...
The Shaykh: Meaning, this Tabi'i (successor) said to the Companion Sahl: "My master."
Eid Abbasi : ... .
The Shaykh : And upon you be peace, and the mercy of Allah and His blessings.
Eid Abbasi: Unless it was...
The Shaykh: Yes? ... If you have two volumes, then the second one.
Eid Abbasi: Bring both.
The questioner : ... .
Eid Abbasi: Is she a Companion such that she addresses the Messenger (peace be upon him)? She narrates from Sahl.
The questioner : ... .
Eid Abbasi: No, Sahl narrates the meaning of the Messenger's (peace be upon him) words without attributing them to him.
The questioner: I said: "My master"...
Eid Abbasi: Is a Companion prevented from saying a Prophetic hadith?
The questioner: Nothing prevents it, but...
Eid Abbasi: Sometimes it is.
The Shaykh: This—may Allah bless you—is a matter in which we should not speak unless we have verified the authenticity of the chain.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh: So if the chain is authentic, then a discussion takes place; but if the chain is weak, we are all relieved.
Eid Abbasi: It is carried as I mentioned.
The Shaykh: Yes.
Eid Abbasi : ... .
The Shaykh : ... ؟
Eid Abbasi: He says about...
The Shaykh: Yes.
Eid Abbasi: ... so as you see, she is a Tabi'i... from the middle of the Tabi'un, not their great ones.
The Shaykh: So we have known it and are relieved; the hadith is weak in its chain, and this is a term of al-Hafiz Ibn Hajar that students of knowledge should know. Bring it so we can see; is this the edition you got involved with?
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh: It is not possible for such an error to occur, but the error is from the transmitter, and Allah knows best.
The questioner: What is the term... that must be known?
The Shaykh: ... two copies.
Eid Abbasi : ... .
The Shaykh: ... Yes?
Eid Abbasi : ... .
The questioner: ... between the two statements.
The Shaykh: Give it to me... Ah, I was misled from here, meaning: close to a hadith. You transmitted it faithfully, but this is a typographical error, and it is close. Al-Bukhari said: "He is close to a hadith." So if they wanted to advise the Ummah in printing, he would have put "he is close to a hadith" in small parentheses. He said: "Al-Bukhari said: He is close to a hadith, and Abu Hatim weakened it." This gives the impression that the entire phrase is a statement by al-Bukhari: "Close to a hadith, weakened by Abu Hatim and Ibn Hibban, and al-Tirmidhi said: The practice is based on this, and so on." Whereas al-Bukhari is earlier than all of them. So the correct expression is: "And al-Bukhari said: He is close to a hadith." A new sentence: "Abu Hatim and Ibn Hibban weakened it."
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Yes?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: Yes, and al-Tirmidhi said: "The practice is based on this with most of the scholars that it is... and the hadith, and so on." And al-Tabarani narrated it, and... even though Abu Hatim and Ibn Hibban weakened it. There, his statement precedes: "Abu Hatim and Ibn Hibban weakened it." Here he says: "Even though." He is stating a phrase but with doubt... whereas here you transmitted his phrase. The phrase is repeated without saying: "Even though." First, you dropped Abd al-Rahman here.
Eid Abbasi: Ibn.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Later.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Yes?
The questioner : Likewise ... .
...
The Shaykh: Also—my brother—without blame for poor transmission.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: Calm down—my brother—you are saying: How can Ahmad say: "I do not write the hadith of al-Afriqi?" He said: "And I saw Muhammad ibn Ismail strengthening his case." The hadith with its chain... al-Tirmidhi said: "We only know it from the hadith of al-Afriqi, and it is weak with the people of hadith; Yahya ibn Sa'id al-Qattan and others weakened it." Ahmad said: "I do not write the hadith of al-Afriqi."
Eid Abbasi: He means al-Tirmidhi, here it would be.
The Shaykh: Yes, he said: "And I saw it from Ismail... he says: He is close to a hadith, and the practice is based on this with most..."
: Okay; do you have any remaining issue?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Yes?
The questioner: The hadith of the other chapter...
The Shaykh: You say: the other chapter?
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh: Where is the other chapter?
The questioner: The hadith...
The Shaykh: This is an affirmation, another hadith, not another chapter.
Eid Abbasi : ... .
The Shaykh: Here the hadith is weak.
The questioner: Yes ... .
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner: ... and I prefer the statement of... ...
The Shaykh: ... ... What does al-Shawkani say?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: Okay; was he late or early, what is the conclusion?
The questioner: He says...
The Shaykh: Do not say what he does not say. You say what you derived from his words, what is the summary?
The questioner: The summary is that al-Shawkani... taking the hadith of...
The Shaykh: The weak hadith, meaning.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: How, when he says that the scholars agreed that it is permissible for one man to call the adhan and another to give the iqamah, and they differed on the preference; so most of them said: There is no difference, and the matter is broad.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: In the end, does he say otherwise? Okay; and another gives the iqamah, that it is permissible, and so on. Then Malik and most of the people of Hijaz, Abu Hanifa and most of the people of Kufa, and Abu Thawr... the scholars, such and such...
Eid Abbasi : ... .
The Shaykh: Then taking the hadith of... is more preferable.
Eid Abbasi: Yes ... .
The Shaykh: In any case, the issue is as transmitted from... the matter is broad.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Yes?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: This... we set a study curriculum, this needs to...
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