Is it permissible for a son to use his father's mobile phone, which was acquired through haram (forbidden) means? And why is the money earned in a commercial transaction through that phone haram (forbidden)?
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The questioner : He said that, meaning, if his father knew, he would get angry or something. He said, it is not using it secretly from his father, but rather what I understood from him is that he said, "Use the phone." And in his conviction, this phone was acquired with haram (forbidden) money. So, the fact that he called on this phone, which is from haram (forbidden) money, and money came to him, a specific amount of money came to him. This was the source of the question.
The Shaykh : And we answered him about it.
The questioner : Yes, it is haram (forbidden).
The Shaykh : We did not answer him about it.
The questioner : Yes, exactly.
The Shaykh : We said, "Use the device, and I know, tell him, but tell me, I will explain to you." So he explained. We gave him another answer as well. We told him that his father's money is haram (forbidden). His use of this haram (forbidden) money to earn money without his father's permission involves two sins here: that he used the device acquired in a haram (forbidden) way, and he used it to fulfill a personal need of his, earning for himself without his father's permission.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : So, is the violation here double?
The questioner : Our Shaykh, meaning, if the violation is only one, does it only make all the money haram (forbidden)? Meaning, this phone, because he used it without permission, or...
The Shaykh : All the money?
The questioner : The money...
The Shaykh : What is the "all the money" that you mean now?
The questioner : What he obtains, my Shaykh, the money he obtains. Meaning, he said, "I called a merchant, assuming the type of trade is halal (lawful) and there is nothing wrong with it, and something was built upon that, for example, some profit. Does this make all the money haram (forbidden)?" This is the concern he has.
The Shaykh : My brother, what do you mean by "all the money"? The capital plus its profit?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : I do not think so.
The questioner : The profit, the profit, yes?
The Shaykh : See, how it is. So, all the profit, not all the money?
The questioner : All the profit, yes.
The Shaykh : Of course. Or what does it mean that this is not permissible? If we say, "No, this profit is halal (lawful)," what would be haram (forbidden)?
Another questioner: ...
The Shaykh : Yes?
Another questioner: Is there originally no money in it?
The Shaykh : Correct, there is no money in it.
Another questioner: And no money in it.
The Shaykh : He sold what he did not have.
Another questioner: Correct...
The Shaykh : And it came out, but...
Another questioner: There is no capital in the transaction.
Another questioner: ...
Another questioner: There is no capital, professor, because he told me, "I want to sell goods like this on the phone, and he does not have them, and he told me, 'Bring the money plus the profit so I can get them for you.'" This means there is no money.
Another questioner: ... The brother is only asking about the phone.
Another questioner: The phone is haram (forbidden), and he has samples of the goods. Suppose he has samples of the goods, as the Shaykh mentioned, and he only used the haram (forbidden) phone. Is the profit he earned haram (forbidden) or halal (lawful)? That is what he intends.
The Shaykh : No, it is haram (forbidden).
Another questioner: Yes, that is what he intends.
Ali al-Halabi: There is more than one issue, ... this is its beginning.
The Shaykh : Yes, exactly.
Another questioner: Its beginning is a phone...
The Shaykh : Oh Allah.
Another questioner: Now, my Shaykh, even if he used a phone to call, for example, Abu Layla on this phone?
The Shaykh : If his father permits such a call, it is permissible for him; otherwise, it is haram (forbidden) for him. There is no material profit here.
Another questioner: Ah.
The Shaykh : There is a connection between him and his friend, his relatives, and so on.
Another questioner: Ah.
The Shaykh : All of that must be with the father's permission.
Another questioner: Abu Maher.
Another questioner: Abu Maher, let the women go out, may Allah be pleased with you, because they are in lines, what Allah willed, before Abu Maher asks.
Another questioner: Because, my Shaykh, because the question is paid for, that is why Abu 'Abdullah wants to smuggle the women out, because the question is related to women...
Another questioner: Let...
Another questioner: We want to hear it from them...
Another questioner: Our Shaykh, if...
The Shaykh : Wait a moment, what do you have?
The questioner : There is a question regarding women.
The Shaykh : Because these are our brothers, we always call them.
The questioner : Fine.
The Shaykh : As for us, we do not get to see you, Allah knows when.
The Shaykh : And we answered him about it.
The questioner : Yes, it is haram (forbidden).
The Shaykh : We did not answer him about it.
The questioner : Yes, exactly.
The Shaykh : We said, "Use the device, and I know, tell him, but tell me, I will explain to you." So he explained. We gave him another answer as well. We told him that his father's money is haram (forbidden). His use of this haram (forbidden) money to earn money without his father's permission involves two sins here: that he used the device acquired in a haram (forbidden) way, and he used it to fulfill a personal need of his, earning for himself without his father's permission.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : So, is the violation here double?
The questioner : Our Shaykh, meaning, if the violation is only one, does it only make all the money haram (forbidden)? Meaning, this phone, because he used it without permission, or...
The Shaykh : All the money?
The questioner : The money...
The Shaykh : What is the "all the money" that you mean now?
The questioner : What he obtains, my Shaykh, the money he obtains. Meaning, he said, "I called a merchant, assuming the type of trade is halal (lawful) and there is nothing wrong with it, and something was built upon that, for example, some profit. Does this make all the money haram (forbidden)?" This is the concern he has.
The Shaykh : My brother, what do you mean by "all the money"? The capital plus its profit?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : I do not think so.
The questioner : The profit, the profit, yes?
The Shaykh : See, how it is. So, all the profit, not all the money?
The questioner : All the profit, yes.
The Shaykh : Of course. Or what does it mean that this is not permissible? If we say, "No, this profit is halal (lawful)," what would be haram (forbidden)?
Another questioner: ...
The Shaykh : Yes?
Another questioner: Is there originally no money in it?
The Shaykh : Correct, there is no money in it.
Another questioner: And no money in it.
The Shaykh : He sold what he did not have.
Another questioner: Correct...
The Shaykh : And it came out, but...
Another questioner: There is no capital in the transaction.
Another questioner: ...
Another questioner: There is no capital, professor, because he told me, "I want to sell goods like this on the phone, and he does not have them, and he told me, 'Bring the money plus the profit so I can get them for you.'" This means there is no money.
Another questioner: ... The brother is only asking about the phone.
Another questioner: The phone is haram (forbidden), and he has samples of the goods. Suppose he has samples of the goods, as the Shaykh mentioned, and he only used the haram (forbidden) phone. Is the profit he earned haram (forbidden) or halal (lawful)? That is what he intends.
The Shaykh : No, it is haram (forbidden).
Another questioner: Yes, that is what he intends.
Ali al-Halabi: There is more than one issue, ... this is its beginning.
The Shaykh : Yes, exactly.
Another questioner: Its beginning is a phone...
The Shaykh : Oh Allah.
Another questioner: Now, my Shaykh, even if he used a phone to call, for example, Abu Layla on this phone?
The Shaykh : If his father permits such a call, it is permissible for him; otherwise, it is haram (forbidden) for him. There is no material profit here.
Another questioner: Ah.
The Shaykh : There is a connection between him and his friend, his relatives, and so on.
Another questioner: Ah.
The Shaykh : All of that must be with the father's permission.
Another questioner: Abu Maher.
Another questioner: Abu Maher, let the women go out, may Allah be pleased with you, because they are in lines, what Allah willed, before Abu Maher asks.
Another questioner: Because, my Shaykh, because the question is paid for, that is why Abu 'Abdullah wants to smuggle the women out, because the question is related to women...
Another questioner: Let...
Another questioner: We want to hear it from them...
Another questioner: Our Shaykh, if...
The Shaykh : Wait a moment, what do you have?
The questioner : There is a question regarding women.
The Shaykh : Because these are our brothers, we always call them.
The questioner : Fine.
The Shaykh : As for us, we do not get to see you, Allah knows when.