What is the point of disagreement between the people of the Sunnah and the Asha'irah?

The questioner : About two days ago, I was living in the area of ... near the University Mosque. I went to the University Mosque to pray the Maghrib prayer, and afterwards I found a person there. This person appeared to be bearded and wearing the dress of the Sunnah. He was sitting in a circle, so I sat down. He was speaking on several topics, then he began to speak about the Asha'irah and started praising them. I stood up to him and said: The Asha'irah, there is a disagreement between us and them, and it is the issue of the attributes. He denied it completely and said: No. He even made me doubt my information about the Asha'irah and said: No, there is no disagreement between the Asha'irah and the people of the Sunnah. I said to him: Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah (may Allah have mercy on him) says that in "Al-Fatawa." He denied that too, even making me doubt my information about the Asha'irah. So I wanted to confirm with your eminence, and what is the point of disagreement between us, as the people of the Sunnah and the community, and the Asha'irah?

The Shaykh : No, he is mistaken. It appears that he is not from the people of knowledge, and that he wants not to make a disagreement between himself and anyone from the people of the country; because most of them are not Salafis and are not upon the Salafi creed. And what you read in the books of Ibn Taymiyyah is the correct; because the Asha'irah interpret some of the attributes with a very serious interpretation. If you had asked him and he had truly known the belief of the Asha'irah, it would have become clear to him that he is mistaken. But the truth is that the disagreement between us and the Asha'irah and the Maturidiyyah is less than the disagreement between us and the Mu'tazilah and the Khawarij, for example. The Asha'irah do not say that Allah has the attribute of being above His creation, and they do not say that the divine speech ... aww, aww.

The questioner : Peace be upon you, O Shaykh.

The Shaykh: And upon you peace.

The questioner : Here, Shaykh, the call was cut off, the phone was cut off.

The Shaykh : Where are you speaking from?

The questioner : From ..., but the phone was cut off ... the phone is with me, I got it back. Forgive us, Shaykh.

The Shaykh : So you are speaking from your house?

The questioner : From the house, yes.

The Shaykh : Yes.
So I wanted to say.

The questioner : Yes, forgive us, Shaykh.

The Shaykh : That the Asha'irah do not believe in the exaltation of Allah above His creation, and they say: That Allah is in every place. And more than this, they do not say that the Qur'an is the speech of Allah in reality, but they interpret the fact that the speech of Allah is the Qur'an by saying it is "psychological speech." I do not know if you know what they mean by "psychological speech"?

The questioner : No, by Allah, I do not know.

The Shaykh : Yes.

The questioner : What does it mean?

The Shaykh : That is: That Allah (Mighty and Majestic) does not speak with audible speech.

The questioner : Ah, yes, yes.

The Shaykh : And this is contrary to the creed of the people of the Sunnah, and contrary to "If the sea were ink for the words of my Lord, the sea would be exhausted before the words of my Lord are exhausted." So they say.

The questioner : .

The Shaykh : How?

The questioner : I say: .

The Shaykh: Yes.
So they say that "psychological speech" means speech that has no letters that are heard and that Moses heard, as He (the Exalted) said in the Qur'an: . So the man appears that he is not aware of the real disagreement between the people of hadith and the Asha'irah; and therefore what you read from the words of Ibn Taymiyyah is the correct.

The questioner : May Allah reward you with good, O Shaykh.

The Shaykh : And beware of that.