What is the meaning of the narrator's statement: "He moves it and supplicates with it"?

The questioner : This is regarding supplication.

The Shaykh : O Allah, send blessings upon Muhammad, etc.

The questioner : Yes, the narrator says: "He supplicates with it."

The Shaykh : No, first of all: From which hadith did we take the prohibition? Was it not from the hadith of Wa'il ibn Hujr? Correct?

The questioner: Yes.

The Shaykh : Fine; so if you had followed the hadith of Wa'il word by word, and even letter by letter, you would not have done what you did; because he says: "When the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) sat in the tashahhud, he placed his left palm on his left thigh, and he placed his right palm on his right thigh, and he clenched." When did he clench? After... after a period of time, or merely upon placing it?

The questioner : Upon placing it.

The Shaykh : Well done. He said: And he clenched his fingers, and he circled with the middle finger and the thumb, and he raised the index finger, so I saw him moving it and supplicating with it. So all these specifications are consecutive, there is no interval between some of them, so he placed his palm, clenched his fingers, circled, pointed, and moved; so when you and others do it, you clench and raise, why did you raise it automatically? Because that is the expression of an Arab man, meaning; so why did you delay it? I understood - I am not saying that I understood for you that you say: Because he said: "He supplicates with it," it should not be hidden from you that merely by sitting for the tashahhud, you are in supplication; because you praise Allah , and you send blessings upon the Messenger of Allah with very explicit supplication, and so on until the end. So if a person wants to supplicate to Allah, he raises his hands and praises Allah, but he is after the time of supplication has come, but the time of raising is from the beginning of what is prescribed in the supplication that is preceded by the praise of Allah - Mighty and Majestic - perhaps it is clear to you what I want?

The questioner : No, it is very clear.

The Shaykh : May Allah reward you with good.

The questioner : And may Allah reward you. It is said that the supplication here is in the technical sense and not in the linguistic sense, and what is intended is other than the greetings, but rather what follows the greetings?

The Shaykh : No, my brother, he said: I saw him supplicating with it, I saw him meaning: when he moves it, he was supplicating with it. Where does the supplication begin? It is merely by sitting in the tashahhud; because any supplication should be preceded by the praise of Allah - Blessed and Exalted is He - so the greetings are for Allah, the prayers, peace be upon you O Prophet, peace be upon.