Continuation of the Shaykh's words in his refutation of Shaykh Bakr Abu Zayd regarding the issue of kneading in prayer.

The Shaykh : ... So, if a person casts doubt on a Sunnah that is established in Sahih al-Bukhari and others, and is established in two hadiths, not just one, and he casts doubt in it, and I have a responsibility regarding the narrator, I used to wonder and say to myself, why is he going on and on about this sensitive point, and referring to the issue of placing the hands, whether they are open or clenched, which is called what? Kneading, and he casts doubt on it absolutely and directs the research to a part. I used to say that, may Allah know, he does not see the issue of placing the hands at all, because this is the Hanbali school of thought, so this came out of me, that it may be driven by sectarian bias, and now my belief in this news I heard is increasing, why? Not because of the weakness of the hadith, the hadith of al-Bukhari is valid, and it contains the placing of the hands, whether the placing is like this or the placing is like this, why does he not say anything about that? There is no evidence at all if a person is free from sectarian bias, there is no evidence that obligates a person on the texts, and you and I know... we need the hadith of Wail ibn Hujr, who places his hands on his knees and he tries to strengthen it.

The questioner : In the refutation, I mentioned this and followed up on it as if he brought seven wordings, while in reality it is all three.

The Shaykh : This is it, and then three, and what strengthens each other.

The questioner : Well, our Shaykh, perhaps it is the words of our brothers, when they know about him and from him, that the man is not a follower of a school of thought at all, so does that mean, from the perspective of having a good opinion of him, that we can say his erroneous independent legal reasoning agreed with the Hanbali school of thought?

The Shaykh : Yes, it is possible, and I did not assert in what I remember, I did not assert and I said that it was driven by bias, I said it is possible, perhaps it was driven by bias or something similar to that of the expressions, I am cautious, but I feel that our brothers want to bring the word sectarian bias in any expression.

The questioner : By Allah, our Shaykh, he raises his staff against these people in truth, and his writings indicate this, may Allah reward him with good.

The Shaykh : I know, my brother, but this... I know him well, because we met with him repeatedly, I know him well, then I hope you note this issue, that the issue is psychological, what do I say, the verse of poetry?
The most painful thing is injustice to close relatives,
The most painful injustice to close relatives is more painful *** than the impact of the Munda'ian arrows.
This problem, this man is from us and among us, he comes and treats a hadith that no one has touched before in the way that I touched it, and this hadith contradicts his school of thought, look at how it gathers in a person's chest.

The questioner : His school of thought that he grew up with, you mean, and studied.

The Shaykh : Yes, it contradicts his school of thought, so he found a point of weakness in Al-Albani's verification, that Al-Albani went to strengthen this hadith, he found a point of weakness in its strengthening and wrote a special research as a thesis, to weaken this hadith, what is behind this hadith? Behind this hadith is a jurisprudential ruling, what is it? It is the placing of the hands when rising, but the placing is established by the chains of narrators, so why is he discussing a simple detail like this or like that, and leaving the original issue, which is the absolute placing of the hands, and this is established in al-Bukhari and Muslim. This is something that pains us because he is from us and among us, we see, and so this kind of words comes out of us, and otherwise if he were like the other biased people, we would have said directly that it was driven by sectarian bias and he rejected the hadith and rejected the Sunnah, no. And I would have been pleased, by Allah, if the expression were in our hands, so that we could discuss it, perhaps you will bring it in another session, if Allah wills, so that you fulfill your duty toward this person, and peace be upon you and Allah's mercy and blessings.
Second Session

The Shaykh : ... a good religious innovation, and these people must have, I do not mean their evidence for them are their doubts, and they throw them by occasion or without occasion, and perhaps some of these doubts have stuck in the mind of some, meaning for example, they may cite on this occasion, supporting the good religious innovation, the hadith of the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) , perhaps you heard this hadith and were affected by the way they cited it, in support of their claim that there is a good religious innovation, if that is the case, then you must ask about this hadith, and if the doubt has not touched your mind, then praise be to Allah, meaning we are free from researching that, likewise there is a hadith for example , if this hadith has stuck in your mind, and the doubt of arguing with it, you must also remove this doubt and answer it, no, by Allah, the matter is over, and that is what we want.

The questioner : Praise be to Allah...