How to reconcile the saying of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him): "When the imam says 'Amin,' say 'Amin'" with his saying (peace and blessings be upon him)

The questioner : I say, Shaykh, you see the question consists of two parts, may Allah reward you. The first part is your statement, O Shaykh, that it is well known that saying "Amin" behind the imam is not valid except after the imam has said "Amin," so that when the imam begins saying "Amin," it is obligatory for him to say "Amin"...

The Shaykh : To do what?

The questioner : When the imam says "Amin," say "Amin" with him.

The Shaykh : No. You said, "Say it now." This is the saying of the Messenger.

The questioner : No, I am recounting your statement first.

The Shaykh : What is my statement?

The questioner : You say, O Shaykh, after the imam says "Amin," say "Amin."

The Shaykh : That is not my statement.

The questioner : Or say "Amin" together with the imam's "Amin."

The Shaykh : Yes.

The questioner : I say, O Shaykh, it is not mentioned in some narrations and in some other narrations, when

The Shaykh : When he says then say "Amin." Is that what you mean?

The questioner: Yes.

The Shaykh: All right.

The questioner : And the saying of the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) I mean, I see a contradiction between the two hadiths, O Shaykh?

The Shaykh : If I saw a contradiction, you would not have heard from me what you are asking about. But where is the contradiction?

The questioner : .

The Shaykh : Yes.

The questioner : When he finishes saying "Amin," say "Amin," as is the well-known understanding of following immediately and connection.

The Shaykh : May Allah reward you, do not repeat my statement. You are saying now I do not say it this way.

The questioner : Okay, and the hadith, O Shaykh.

The Shaykh : No problem, may Allah reward you. Do not get confused in your recounting of my statement. Recount my established statement, which is what I am upon until now: when he says "Amin," meaning when he begins saying "Amin." On this interpretation, you find difficulty with the hadith; you find difficulty with the second hadith إذا قال الإمام غير المغضوب عليهم ولا الضالين فقولوا آمين When the imam says "Not those upon whom is Your anger, nor those who go astray," say "Amin" Okay, I have no difficulty with the method of reconciling the hadiths. There is a good phrase by Ibn Hazm, and I advise students of knowledge to engrave it in their minds because it will help them resolve some difficulties like this one currently raised between these two hadiths. It is that the additional text is always taken, the additional ruling. I think this statement is reasonable to you, is it not?

The questioner : The additional narrator...

The Shaykh : I asked you, is this reasonable to you?

The questioner : This is a well-established, known principle.

The Shaykh : Very good. So now, add the addition from one of the hadiths to the other. What results for you? The difficulty will be resolved.

The questioner : By Allah, O Shaykh, this is a beautiful and useful rule for the student of knowledge, but if you could give an example of it, O Shaykh.

The Shaykh : Wait, wait, we have not finished with the first matter, may Allah reward you. Now apply the rule. Since you are with me on it, the additional text is taken. What is the hadith that has an addition over the hadith that does not have an addition?

The questioner : The addition is "say 'Amin.'"

The Shaykh : No.

The questioner : "Say 'Amin.'"

The Shaykh : When he says "Amin," my brother, may Allah reward you. "Say 'Amin'" is present in both hadiths, but one of them mentions the imam when he says "Amin," and the second hadith does not mention "when he says 'Amin,'" otherwise you are just going along with my words.

The questioner : No. Good.

The Shaykh : Very good. If the second hadith إذا قال الإمام غير المغضوب عليهم ولا الضالين When the imam says "Not those upon whom is Your anger, nor those who go astray" how does its meaning become?

The questioner : "Say 'Amin'" becomes "after."

The Shaykh : It becomes, may Allah reward you, to the second hadith, excuse me, to the first hadith in our classification of the words إذا قال الإمام غير المغضوب عليهم ولا الضالين وأمن فقولوا آمين When the imam says "Not those upon whom is Your anger, nor those who go astray" and says "Amin," say "Amin" So where did we take "say 'Amin'" from? We took "say 'Amin'" from the hadith with the addition. It is not clear to you.