The Shaykh's discussion regarding his view on the place of saying "Ameen": is it after "wa la al-dallin" or after the Imam says "Ameen"
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The questioner : Well, Shaykh, regarding saying "Ameen" behind the Imam, some of the brothers have reached contradictory conclusions from what they heard of your words! Some of them thought you see, or say, that the Shaykh says the ma'mum says "Ameen" after the Imam says: , and some said: No, rather the Shaykh means after he says "Ameen"?
The Shaykh : How is this, when I have narrated to them repeatedly and explained to them repeatedly his saying (peace and blessings be upon him):Sunan Abi Dawud 936Sahih (Al-Albani) How do they reach this conclusion that you have described?
The questioner : We said this, but we wanted to make sure.
The Shaykh : May Allah reward you with good.
The questioner : But what is your opinion of the narration found in Sahih al-Bukhari, which is that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: إذا قال الإمام : ولا الضالين فقولوا آمين When the Imam says: "wa la al-dallin," then say "Ameen"?
The Shaykh : Yes, what does the hadith indicate?
The questioner : Does this not indicate that the ma'mum says this after the Imam says:?
The Shaykh : And what does that one indicate?
The questioner : Well, if someone were to say!!
The Shaykh : How is that, well, I am asking you a question: what does that one indicate?
The questioner : Unlike that one.
The Shaykh : Unlike that one, so how is the reconciliation?
The questioner : They contradict each other!
The Shaykh : So they are both dropped?!
The questioner : No.
The Shaykh : Fine.
The questioner : Is it not correct to say in this: that this hadith: إذا قال : ولا الضالين فقولوا آمين When he says: "wa la al-dallin," then say "Ameen" that this is specific to saying "Ameen," whereas that hadith is about following in general?
The Shaykh : How do you mean specific to saying "Ameen"?
The questioner : I mean that this ruling came in explaining the state of the ma'mum with the Imam in his saying "Ameen," whereas that hadith came regarding following in general?
The Shaykh : How do you mean in general? He mentions:.
The questioner : Yes, it is at the beginning of the hadith: The original hadith is about the ma'mum following the Imam!
The Shaykh : Fine.
The questioner : And it is said that the other hadith contains a detail.
The Shaykh : Which other one?
The questioner : The one which is: إذا قال : ولا الضالين فقولوا : آمين When he says: "wa la al-dallin," then say: "Ameen" I mean in a narration...
The Shaykh : The hadith, so say "Ameen." Its beginning is:Sunan Abi Dawud 936Sahih (Al-Albani) This is the beginning of the hadith: Sahih Ibn Khuzaymah 3:108 Is that right?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Is its indication probable or explicit?
The questioner : Explicit.
The Shaykh : Explicit. Well, his saying (peace and blessings be upon him): وإذا قال : ولا الضالين فقولوا : آمين And when he says: "wa la al-dallin," then say: "Ameen" Is its indication explicit that the Imam does not say "Ameen"?
The questioner : No, it is not explicit.
The Shaykh : So what is given precedence in this case: the explicit text over the non-explicit, or the reverse?
The questioner : The explicit text is given precedence.
nor those who go astray
ولا الضالينThe Shaykh : How is this, when I have narrated to them repeatedly and explained to them repeatedly his saying (peace and blessings be upon him):
When the Imam says Amin, say Amin
إذا أمّن الإمام فأمنواThe questioner : We said this, but we wanted to make sure.
The Shaykh : May Allah reward you with good.
The questioner : But what is your opinion of the narration found in Sahih al-Bukhari, which is that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: إذا قال الإمام : ولا الضالين فقولوا آمين When the Imam says: "wa la al-dallin," then say "Ameen"?
The Shaykh : Yes, what does the hadith indicate?
The questioner : Does this not indicate that the ma'mum says this after the Imam says:
nor those who go astray
ولا الضالينThe Shaykh : And what does that one indicate?
The questioner : Well, if someone were to say!!
The Shaykh : How is that, well, I am asking you a question: what does that one indicate?
The questioner : Unlike that one.
The Shaykh : Unlike that one, so how is the reconciliation?
The questioner : They contradict each other!
The Shaykh : So they are both dropped?!
The questioner : No.
The Shaykh : Fine.
The questioner : Is it not correct to say in this: that this hadith: إذا قال : ولا الضالين فقولوا آمين When he says: "wa la al-dallin," then say "Ameen" that this is specific to saying "Ameen," whereas that hadith is about following in general?
The Shaykh : How do you mean specific to saying "Ameen"?
The questioner : I mean that this ruling came in explaining the state of the ma'mum with the Imam in his saying "Ameen," whereas that hadith came regarding following in general?
The Shaykh : How do you mean in general? He mentions:
When he says "Ameen," then say "Ameen"
إذا أمّن فأمنواThe questioner : Yes, it is at the beginning of the hadith:
When he says "Allahu Akbar," then say "Allahu Akbar"
إذا كبّر فكبرواThe Shaykh : Fine.
The questioner : And it is said that the other hadith contains a detail.
The Shaykh : Which other one?
The questioner : The one which is: إذا قال : ولا الضالين فقولوا : آمين When he says: "wa la al-dallin," then say: "Ameen" I mean in a narration...
The Shaykh : The hadith, so say "Ameen." Its beginning is:
When the Imam says Amin, say Amin
إذا أمّن الإمام فأمنواWhen the Imam says "Ameen," then say "Ameen," and whoever's "Ameen" coincides with the "Ameen" of the angels, his previous sins will be forgiven
إذا أمّن الإمام فأمنوا ، فمن وافق تأمينه تأمين الملائكة غُفر له ما تقدم من ذنبهThe questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Is its indication probable or explicit?
The questioner : Explicit.
The Shaykh : Explicit. Well, his saying (peace and blessings be upon him): وإذا قال : ولا الضالين فقولوا : آمين And when he says: "wa la al-dallin," then say: "Ameen" Is its indication explicit that the Imam does not say "Ameen"?
The questioner : No, it is not explicit.
The Shaykh : So what is given precedence in this case: the explicit text over the non-explicit, or the reverse?
The questioner : The explicit text is given precedence.