Discussion of the hadith of 'Ali ibn Abi Talib (may Allah be pleased with him) regarding drinking while standing, and whether eating while standing has the same ruling as drinking while standing?

The Shaykh : Is this something you were afraid of, or were you not afraid of it?

The questioner : Our Shaykh, you do not fear, if Allah wills, the blame of any blamer for the sake of Allah.

The Shaykh : I was going to say, when I asked you what your level of knowledge is, meaning when you gave me that answer which was not an answer, I was going to tell you, look at yourself, by Allah's will you have learned a lot of knowledge and have become arrogant to the point that you said there is no one who opposes it...

The questioner : No, my Shaykh.

The Shaykh : This is what I believe about you; if you withdraw this statement.

The questioner : It is heavy, we will withdraw it, our Shaykh.

The Shaykh : No, it is not heavy, meaning for us, but withdraw it, do not say it to others.

The questioner : If Allah wills.

The Shaykh : Let us move on to the hadith of 'Ali, which is authentic in al-Bukhari. Does 'Ali indicate by his action that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) drank while standing after the prohibition?

The questioner : Perhaps, our Shaykh, the context...

The Shaykh : No "perhaps"; because I am telling you, again "perhaps," and each of us presents his own view.

The questioner : Based on the fact that he saw the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him).

The Shaykh : Do not repeat it to me, no, that is not my question. Does his statement:

The questioner : It is a possibility from the context of the hadith.

The Shaykh : Is the question clear?

The questioner : Clear, our Shaykh, a possibility from the context.

The Shaykh : A possibility from what?

The questioner : A possibility from the context of the hadith. Which is that he saw it, meaning, if he did not know that it was prohibited, he would not say, "I saw the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him)...

The Shaykh : I think you have deviated from the answer, and you continue to deviate from the answer; my question for the third time, and you are free to answer for the second or third time with the same answer. Does 'Ali's narration of seeing the Messenger and his application of the same action that the Messenger performed, 'Ali drinking in turn while standing, does it mean that he, meaning 'Ali, meant that the action of the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) which he emulated was after the prohibition of the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) regarding drinking while standing?

The questioner : Definitely no.

The Shaykh : Okay, definitely no, what is the reservation here, definitely no, a possibility?

The questioner: Yes.

The Shaykh : Well, and if a possibility touches the evidence, does not the argument fall with it?

The questioner: Yes.

The Shaykh : What did you benefit from the hadith now? Say it plainly, nothing; we handle the matter in another way. Keep the question in mind, what is the other way? Is it possible for the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) to prohibit something and do the opposite of it, or is it not possible? Do not be afraid of the question, say what you have?

The questioner : It is not possible.

The Shaykh : I say it is possible, and that is why I told you not to be afraid, but we have not benefited anything; is it possible for the Messenger to prohibit something and do the opposite of it himself?

The questioner : Yes, it is possible.

The Shaykh : Here, you see it is coming with you, it is not like your story, it does not come with me; well, now you know my question and your answer which we agreed on, correct?

The questioner: Yes.

The Shaykh : Well, now the question in other words: If it is established that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) prohibited something and did it, is it possible for Muslims in general, the Muslims, to do that thing, or is it not possible?

The questioner : What the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) did?

The Shaykh : Not only that, and he had prohibited it?

The questioner : No, it is not possible for them to do the action of the Messenger which he did contrary to his statement.

The Shaykh : Why?

The questioner : Because this would be one of the indicators of his specific attributes, that this is one of the specific attributes of the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him).

The Shaykh : It is not permissible, and I am going to come to you, even if you are not going to come to me, except later; is it not possible that his action is evidence that the prohibition is for discouragement and not for prohibition?

The questioner: Perhaps.

The Shaykh : Here, you came with me, stay with me from now on, the third question is coming, and I hope it will be the last, okay?

The questioner : If Allah wills.

The Shaykh : Is it possible if the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) prohibited with a prohibition of prohibition and it is established that he did this prohibited thing, is it permissible for the Muslim to do it?

The questioner : After, our Shaykh, attempting to reconcile and harmonize between the statement and the action.

The Shaykh : Reconcile and harmonize, and this answer is not an answer, but I will leave you to your own devices, reconcile and harmonize, the question is the same as the previous question: he prohibited and did it, and the question that followed was: Is it not possible that his action is an explanation that his prohibition is not for prohibition but for discouragement, the answer was yes.

The questioner: Yes.

The Shaykh : And you did not forget?

The questioner : No, I did not forget, our Shaykh.

The Shaykh : Well, now the same question, but we say the prohibition was explicit in prohibition, is it possible hehehe what is wrong with you?

The questioner : I fell, you did not fall in this session.
Al-Halabi : You withdrew from the first round.

The Shaykh : You are upright now and did not fall, and you knew your mistake, so what made you upright is this sequential logic, correct or not?

The questioner : May Allah reward you with good, yes, correct.

The Shaykh : If we return to the hadith of 'Ali, the hadith of 'Ali, my brother, it could have been beneficial to say that the prohibition is for discouragement and not for prohibition, but when the severe prohibition came, prohibiting drinking while standing, warning against drinking while standing then he said to him or to another: ; this prevents us from saying: the prohibition is for discouragement; at that time we are forced to say that what 'Ali narrated from the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) is either before the prohibition; or it is for a need and a necessity that permits this form even for the Muslim who is told: vomit, it is permissible for him because he is in an excuse; and in the last case we say this is a specific attribute of the Messenger that no one among people shares with him; at that time we remain with the prohibition that does not accept interpretation to discouragement, clear?

The questioner : Clear, O Shaykh.

The Shaykh : Now let us see what Abu al-Harith has?

The Shaykh : onAl-Halabi : Abu al-Harith: May Allah reward you with good, our Shaykh, I would have liked to answer the question you favored for the brother Ahmad, which is whether it is understood from the athar of 'Ali that it was before the prohibition or after the prohibition, meaning he mentioned that he saw it, so I remembered, our Shaykh, or a narration of the same hadith, meaning I inquired whether it is strengthened or has a hint that he did not understand that the prohibition was for prohibition, for example, or that he took the matter lightly, or something like that?

The Shaykh : No, I say that 'Ali did not have the news of the prohibition at all.
Al-Halabi : Our Shaykh, in the narration, it reached me that you prohibit drinking while standing?

The Shaykh : No; but he did not have the news that the Messenger prohibited it.
Al-Halabi : It reached me, this means it has no consideration?

The Shaykh : No, yes.

The questioner : On the same question, is food the same thing, and what about any drink other than water?

The Shaykh : Ah, regarding food, we do not have a hadith from the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) within the scope of the question, but we have a hadith: so we know the ruling of drinking; as for eating, we used to eat while walking, see, we used to eat while walking and drink while standing; so drinking while standing, the previous discussion concluded this matter, it remains that they used to eat while walking as well, it remains as it is because we do not have what contradicts it; as for within the scope of the question, we have the athar that I referred to earlier, which is that Anas ibn Malik when he narrated the prohibition, and it is in Sahih Muslim this is the answer to your question exactly; here it is said, is the statement of the Companions a proof or not? When the Companion was asked this question and said: eating is worse, meaning worse than drinking while standing; is his statement a proof? What I am confident in is that the statement of the Companion, when there is nothing from the Shari'ah that contradicts it from a verse or hadith, or it has no opponent from the rest of the Companions, we must emulate him and follow him and take his words, because he saw what we did not see, and he knew what we do not know, and so on; so the precise jurisprudential answer is to say, as for drinking while standing, we have hadiths that prohibit it with a severe prohibition; as for eating while standing, we do not have except this athar, and we believe in the obligation of emulating this athar; but it is not permissible to turn this athar into a marfu' hadith; because we would be attributing to the Messenger what is not established, and we only clarify the reality, then we say to the questioner, we see that this noble Companion, we must emulate him because there is nothing in our knowledge that contradicts him, and that is all; clear?

The questioner : It is clear; regarding drinking, is it water or all beverages?

The Shaykh : Anything that can be described as drinking while standing; do you not see that if you drink milk, it is correct to say "he drank," yes or no?

The questioner: Yes.

The Shaykh : That is it.