When is the one who interprets (ta'wil) declared a disbeliever, and when is he an open sinner?

The questioner : Okay, Shaykh, here, excuse me, regarding the issue of those who interpret (ta'wil), meaning when is one declared a disbeliever?

The Shaykh : The issue of...

The questioner : Those who interpret (ta'wil) the attributes.

The Shaykh: Yes.

The questioner : When is one declared a disbeliever... when is one an open sinner, and when, I mean, is one declared a disbeliever in disbelief?

The Shaykh : A Muslim is not declared a disbeliever as long as he has not shown opposition to the texts; as long as he has not shown opposition to the texts.

The questioner: Yes.

The Shaykh : Rather, he has a viewpoint that is wrong in our estimation, without a doubt.

The questioner: Yes.

The Shaykh : But it has not become clear to us that the truth became clear to him and then he denied it, as is the nature of the disbelievers who disbelieved in the Noble Qur'an, and our Lord, Lord of the Worlds, informed us about them by saying: So the one who is certain of the truth and turns away from it is the disbeliever. As for the one regarding whom it has not become clear to us that the truth became clear to him, we declare him misguided; we state that he has strayed from the straight path, but we do not declare him a disbeliever and we do not exclude him from the circle of Islam.