Explanation of the Hadith (Woe to the women from the two reds)
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The questioner : ... Can we not consider these hadiths, meaning like the saying of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) in hadiths, meaning you have brought them, like the saying of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him): Sahih Ibn Hibban 51:35 ?
The Shaykh : From the two reds, yes.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : Yes, this text covers the forbidden things without a doubt.
The questioner : No, I do not.
The questioner : I meant the exact opposite, our Shaykh.
The Shaykh : What does that mean?
The questioner : I mean that the scholars here, meaning, have taken this from the perspective of not showing off and not exaggerating, and if one does not pay its zakah, and so on.
The Shaykh : Is this text general or specific?
The questioner : It is general.
The Shaykh : General. Good. Here comes the previous topic where we started with the rule of the general and the specific, the absolute and the restricted, and so on. I am going to draw your attention to something, meaning, I may meet with it along with the suggestion of our brother Abu 'Abdullah. Did you address it in your treatise? And I answer in advance, with a strong presumption that you did not!
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : If someone asked you, is it permissible for women to eat from gold and silver vessels? You would say no.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : In my opinion.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : Did you address this issue in your treatise?
The questioner : A brief mention.
The Shaykh : A brief mention.
The questioner : A little, meaning.
The Shaykh : Can we hear this mention now?
The questioner: That it is...
The Shaykh : As a request, not an obligation.
The questioner : I mean, you mentioned that both women and men are forbidden from gold and silver vessels.
The Shaykh : Good. What did you do with the hadith that permits gold for women?
The questioner : I specified it with this lesser [amount].
The Shaykh : Good, you specified it with this lesser [amount].
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : He prohibited the gold ring. You also specified the general hadith with this specific hadith!
The questioner : He prohibited the gold ring?
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner : I specified it for the men.
The Shaykh : Answer my question, may Allah guide you!
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : Did you specify the hadiths permitting gold for women with the hadith prohibiting the gold ring?
The questioner : I did not specify.
The Shaykh : What is the difference between this and the hadith of the vessels?
The questioner : The vessels are more explicit, our Shaykh, and clearer, and it is clear that it is intended for men and women.
The Shaykh : May Allah guide you. Where did you get this explicitness from?
The questioner : From the context of the other hadiths.
The Shaykh : My brother, what is the indication of explicitness? Did it explicitly mention women? Did it explicitly mention women?
The questioner : It did not explicitly mention them, but it presented a clear phrase that includes women.
The Shaykh : My brother, is it clear or is it not clear? Why do you not answer with the scholarly answer? What did you do with his saying (peace be upon him), yes: Where is the explicitness? "Do not drink" is a general prohibition!
The questioner : Who drank from whom?
The Shaykh : That is another hadith.
The questioner : It is the same, meaning, it includes men and women!
The Shaykh : No, may Allah guide you, my brother. "Do not drink" is the hadith of and the hadith of As-Sunan al-Kubra lil-Nasa'i 49:94. Did it mention women in these two hadiths?
The questioner: A text.
The Shaykh : No, no. What was your argument with the general text?
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : Do you have more than this?
The questioner : No.
The Shaykh : Then why do you say it is more explicit? Where is the more explicit one?
The questioner : From the other texts, our Shaykh.
The Shaykh : Which other texts?
The questioner : He prohibited the gold ring. Other texts came that clarify that it is for the men?
The Shaykh : Listen, my brother, may Allah guide you. We are now talking about the vessels, right? Did you not argue with the general text?
The questioner : I argued with it.
The Shaykh : With the general text.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : Do you have anything else?
The questioner: No.
The Shaykh : Good. He prohibited the gold ring. Is it not a general text?
The questioner : General.
The Shaykh : Good. Why do you not specify the general text for the females, just as you specified this text with the first general text, which is "Whoever drank"? Why do you not also specify it?
The questioner : Because there were indications for me regarding the permissibility of the gold ring for women, so I knew that the intended meaning was men!
The Shaykh : But do these texts that you say indicate the permissibility of the gold ring for women fall under the prohibition or not?
The questioner : Prohibition of the ring.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : They fall under the prohibition.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner : They do not fall under it.
The Shaykh : In terms of the indication of the general, the indication of the generality of the text!
The questioner : Initially, they fall under it. I mean, is your question that the prohibition of the gold ring includes women and men, were it not for these alleged indications from me!
The Shaykh : Of course.
The questioner : Yes, without the slightest doubt.
The Shaykh : Good. So now you are walking with me in that the Messenger's prohibition is a general prohibition for men and women by the general text, that they should not eat or drink from gold and silver vessels. We applied this general text to another general text, which is the permissibility for females, and we said, permissibility for females except for gold vessels. Is that so?
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : Good. We say likewise. You should do as was done there. There was a general prohibition regarding gold vessels. Likewise, here there was a general prohibition regarding the gold ring. You answered that there are proofs indicating the permissibility of the gold ring for women. So I said to you now, after you conceded that the prohibition of the gold ring is general ... .
Woe to the women from the two reds
ويل للنساء من الأحمرينThe Shaykh : From the two reds, yes.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : Yes, this text covers the forbidden things without a doubt.
The questioner : No, I do not.
The questioner : I meant the exact opposite, our Shaykh.
The Shaykh : What does that mean?
The questioner : I mean that the scholars here, meaning, have taken this from the perspective of not showing off and not exaggerating, and if one does not pay its zakah, and so on.
The Shaykh : Is this text general or specific?
The questioner : It is general.
The Shaykh : General. Good. Here comes the previous topic where we started with the rule of the general and the specific, the absolute and the restricted, and so on. I am going to draw your attention to something, meaning, I may meet with it along with the suggestion of our brother Abu 'Abdullah. Did you address it in your treatise? And I answer in advance, with a strong presumption that you did not!
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : If someone asked you, is it permissible for women to eat from gold and silver vessels? You would say no.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : In my opinion.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : Did you address this issue in your treatise?
The questioner : A brief mention.
The Shaykh : A brief mention.
The questioner : A little, meaning.
The Shaykh : Can we hear this mention now?
The questioner: That it is...
The Shaykh : As a request, not an obligation.
The questioner : I mean, you mentioned that both women and men are forbidden from gold and silver vessels.
The Shaykh : Good. What did you do with the hadith that permits gold for women?
The questioner : I specified it with this lesser [amount].
The Shaykh : Good, you specified it with this lesser [amount].
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : He prohibited the gold ring. You also specified the general hadith with this specific hadith!
The questioner : He prohibited the gold ring?
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner : I specified it for the men.
The Shaykh : Answer my question, may Allah guide you!
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : Did you specify the hadiths permitting gold for women with the hadith prohibiting the gold ring?
The questioner : I did not specify.
The Shaykh : What is the difference between this and the hadith of the vessels?
The questioner : The vessels are more explicit, our Shaykh, and clearer, and it is clear that it is intended for men and women.
The Shaykh : May Allah guide you. Where did you get this explicitness from?
The questioner : From the context of the other hadiths.
The Shaykh : My brother, what is the indication of explicitness? Did it explicitly mention women? Did it explicitly mention women?
The questioner : It did not explicitly mention them, but it presented a clear phrase that includes women.
The Shaykh : My brother, is it clear or is it not clear? Why do you not answer with the scholarly answer? What did you do with his saying (peace be upon him), yes:
Do not drink from gold and silver vessels
لا تشربوا في أواني الذهب و الفضةThe questioner : Who drank from whom?
The Shaykh : That is another hadith.
The questioner : It is the same, meaning, it includes men and women!
The Shaykh : No, may Allah guide you, my brother. "Do not drink" is the hadith of
Do not eat from gold and silver vessels
لا تأكلوا في أواني الذهب و الفضةWhoever eats or drinks from a gold or silver vessel
من أكل أو شرب في آنية ذهب أو فضةThe questioner: A text.
The Shaykh : No, no. What was your argument with the general text?
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : Do you have more than this?
The questioner : No.
The Shaykh : Then why do you say it is more explicit? Where is the more explicit one?
The questioner : From the other texts, our Shaykh.
The Shaykh : Which other texts?
The questioner : He prohibited the gold ring. Other texts came that clarify that it is for the men?
The Shaykh : Listen, my brother, may Allah guide you. We are now talking about the vessels, right? Did you not argue with the general text?
The questioner : I argued with it.
The Shaykh : With the general text.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : Do you have anything else?
The questioner: No.
The Shaykh : Good. He prohibited the gold ring. Is it not a general text?
The questioner : General.
The Shaykh : Good. Why do you not specify the general text for the females, just as you specified this text with the first general text, which is "Whoever drank"? Why do you not also specify it?
The questioner : Because there were indications for me regarding the permissibility of the gold ring for women, so I knew that the intended meaning was men!
The Shaykh : But do these texts that you say indicate the permissibility of the gold ring for women fall under the prohibition or not?
The questioner : Prohibition of the ring.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : They fall under the prohibition.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner : They do not fall under it.
The Shaykh : In terms of the indication of the general, the indication of the generality of the text!
The questioner : Initially, they fall under it. I mean, is your question that the prohibition of the gold ring includes women and men, were it not for these alleged indications from me!
The Shaykh : Of course.
The questioner : Yes, without the slightest doubt.
The Shaykh : Good. So now you are walking with me in that the Messenger's prohibition is a general prohibition for men and women by the general text, that they should not eat or drink from gold and silver vessels. We applied this general text to another general text, which is the permissibility for females, and we said, permissibility for females except for gold vessels. Is that so?
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : Good. We say likewise. You should do as was done there. There was a general prohibition regarding gold vessels. Likewise, here there was a general prohibition regarding the gold ring. You answered that there are proofs indicating the permissibility of the gold ring for women. So I said to you now, after you conceded that the prohibition of the gold ring is general ... .
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