A word from the Shaykh on the danger of the Tahrir Party.

The Shaykh : Please, go ahead. Ah, in it, for example, my brother, these people, generally speaking, the Tahrir Party group, I know these people, the Tahrir Party group. These people understand Islam in the verses of the Book of Allah and in the hadiths of the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) based on their minds and based on their desires, not based on the understanding of the Book and the Sunnah. What you heard just now is enough for you; they doubt every verse, let alone every hadith, claiming that it has multiple aspects! Therefore, they take from the Qur'an and the Sunnah whatever suits them in terms of ta'wil (figurative interpretation) and interpretation, even if no one before them has done so!
Abu Malik: You consider yourself a Salafi and you sit with these people who are mushrikin (those who associate partners with Allah). How is this?

The questioner : But I am defending him temporarily. As for absolutely not knowing, it appears that he did not know them.
Abu Malik: No, he knows them, our Shaykh. How does he not know them?

The Shaykh : Allow me to testify; his tongue did not hear this disbelief from him!
Abu Malik: No, he knows their morals and he knows their mindsets and he knows... It is not permissible to sit with them. It is not permissible to sit with them. By Allah, it is a mistake. By Allah, this speech, I expected something worse than it. He knows them, my brother. This man cursed me and insulted me...

The Shaykh : And in the presence of our companion.
Abu Malik: He was silent, or by Allah, I did not respond to him. Why is this a fool? Do you want to compete with him? Do you want to be patient? More than this, no.

The Shaykh : Allah is sufficient for us, and He is the best Disposer of affairs.
Abu Malik: He says, "Dad, do you want to give the checks?" He has no shame, he is not embarrassed...

The Shaykh : Look, you do not find in their faces a face that indicates that they are upon the Sunnah and the Shari'ah, absolutely not. Shaved, groomed mustaches, and so on. Holding the prayer beads and fiddling with them. Allahu Akbar. The point is, we know these people from Damascus, and they do not have a fixed 'aqidah (creed). These people are very dangerous from two aspects: from the aspect of their lack of understanding of Islam, and from the aspect of their grouping together to call for establishing the state of Islam based on ignorance of Islam. So I lived with them for many long years there, and I know their ignorance. One of them used to say, "Until when will you live among these yellow books?" The not living among these yellow books led them to doubt every text in the Noble Qur'an, claiming that it has many, many meanings. So when you tell him, "Is there doubt in Allah?" he does not say to you, "I seek refuge in Allah. What is this question!" Do you see?

Another questioner : The earth is inhabited.

The Shaykh : How? - He laughs.The Shaykh : (may Allah have mercy on him) - No, he forgot his walk, my brother. Not like this and not like that. I do not know about these people or these people, unfortunately. And the truth is, I met this man only once. I was surprised by him in a mosque where we were invited. After we ate, we sat in a corner of the mosque. The brothers gathered and started talking, and this man stood up and corrected the end of the circle, saying, "I was able to... and I was able to understand an issue of the issues, ker ker ker," and so on, without knowledge. There is no room for that. He called me by phone a while ago, about a year, saying he wants an appointment with me for a meeting and discussion. I told him, "I am not prepared." He said, "Why?" I said, "Because you are Abu Sayyakh (Father of Shouting) in our land of Sham." When you correct this style, then I am prepared to meet you. Days passed, and less than two weeks ago, our brother 'Abd al-Fattah, may Allah guide us and him, told me, "This is Abu Yasser. He says this. He wants an introduction and an appointment from..."The Shaykh : ... and so on. I told you, my brother, you described this man like this and like that, and you know I want a person who is long-tempered, who is calm, who gives and takes, so that we can discuss. I do not care if he is a scholar or ignorant. I knew him to be ignorant from those shouts he was making. He said, "No, we will take a pledge from him that he will not shout." I told him, "But I believe he will not be able to fulfill his promise." I even told him, "He must practice discussions with others and try his situation that he is a champion of shouting. After that, I am prepared." Did I tell you this or not? And finally, I ended the request with refusal...

Another questioner : ... the mind. Is this one mind... if the two minds differ, there must be a reference!

The Shaykh : Correct, but Professor, if we do not establish this rule, what do you think? For example, you heard... he wants to ask him, "I heard you are a Mu'tazili. Is this speech correct or not?" He wants to double, he wants to go and come!

Another questioner : ... his argument... he tries...

The Shaykh : This is my intention, if you allow me. My goal is that we establish points on which there is no disagreement. Otherwise, if we do not establish these foundations, what happened will happen...

Another questioner : The style of evasion... this is one of the self-evident truths...

The Shaykh : This is it. So what do you say? I am saying a verse in the Qur'an. What did he call the covenant? Not the covenant.

Another questioner : The document.

The Shaykh : A document? Yes, a document. What is it? Revelation from the sky? This document, he wrote it in his madness and his arts, and so on. He wanted us to discuss on this basis. My brother, I was saying, and I did not control my nerves. What is this document? But no, just take and give. First, I ask you a question, and you tell me briefly like this, and the detail like this. No, only by the document! The point is, when I told him, "I do not agree," our companion was silent reluctantly. Then he threw a question at me regarding the hadith, related to the chain of authentic hadiths. Then an idea came to my mind, and I told him, "Save your question for now. It appears to me that I agree to meet this man on the condition that he writes a pledge that he will not shout in the session." He said, "I will inform him, and I agree." And he really informed him. He said he wrote it. I do not want to take it as an official matter from him. Bring it, let me see... Then he read the conditions to me. What was my answer? Among the conditions was that he announces the meeting, the time of the agreement, and whoever wants from the people, men without women, and so on, will attend, and it will be broadcast on the radio. A madman, meaning he did not exclude...

Another questioner : ... .

The Shaykh : ... Yes, well done. The point is, I said, "Video? No, because I reject it," and so on. No, I said, "I do not want all these things. I want a session limited to some people." I told him, "If it is on this condition, I agree." He said he agreed, and on this basis, he came and it took place... and you heard...
Mashhur: And he shouted...

The Shaykh : And Abu Sayyakh shouted like that.
Abu Malik: This type of human being, it is absolutely impossible that he can accept to answer a question with a clear, explicit answer. Impossible. Why? Because these are people who were given argumentation. So he keeps giving answers that make time pass and do not lead the person to a result or a specific answer to one question. This is impossible! ... Do you know the session? If it started, if he said that even if he agreed with the speech...The Shaykh : Abu Malik: ... this session, by the great Allah, if it lasted twelve hours, it would be little!

Another questioner : ... the mind, returning to it... he said, meaning, as long as there is no mind, if the understanding of the minds of the verses differs! ...
Abu Malik: He said, "The issue is not my issue."

The Shaykh : ... Allah is the Greatest.

Another questioner : The truth is, in the same field, our brother 'Abd al-Fattah is the closest person to him, so he gives us what the man has... Do you see him silent? He is not willing to speak...!

The Shaykh : Please, go ahead!

Another questioner : ... the Tahrir Party. Abu Yasser does not represent the Tahrir Party...

The Shaykh : I do not care if he represents it or not. Allow me, he is a party member! As for whether he represents it or not! This is not what I claimed, and I do not claim it. But he is a party member, please!

Another questioner : This man does not represent the Tahrir Party...

The Shaykh: All right.

Another questioner : ... when this man spoke, he spoke about what he himself represents... and he said words that are known from the religion by necessity to be munkar (what is wrong) and kufr (disbelief). And this speech, when he says the verses... and the reality is that I sensed that I would hear from...The Shaykh : ... that he says this is from the Tahrir Party group... and this speech is munkar, munkar for us. And the original is that we are Muslims, and the Muslim does not say that. And he returns to the Book and the Sunnah. The truth is, I liked to draw attention from the door of speaking the truth that he is not from the Tahrir Party and does not represent the Tahrir Party.
The questioner: Rather, he curses.

The Shaykh : Yes.

The questioner : Rather, he curses the Tahrir Party...

The Shaykh: Okay, good.

Another questioner : I really, I liked fromThe Shaykh : Especially since ... I do not hear this kind of talk from him regarding the Tahrir Party. The Tahrir Party and the Tahrir Party are among the Islamic groups that contradict what they adopt in their books... So if one of the young people, one of the people who were with the Tahrir Party, says something, that is not attributed to the Tahrir Party... And he says to the Muslims: if there is an error in this that contradicts the Book and the Sunnah, then cast it aside! I mean, I truly...

The Shaykh : You are not from the Tahrir Party!

Another questioner : I am from the Tahrir Party!

The Shaykh : Ah, you are from the Tahrir Party. Fine, how long have you been a party member?

Another questioner : Confidential information!

The Shaykh : Ah, we have started now! What do you mean by confidential information, my brother? If I told you five years, did you disbelieve or go astray? Or ten years, what is the problem with that? When you say confidential information!

Another questioner : I...

The Shaykh : Fine, my brother, I withdraw my question, I withdraw my question. Since it is like this, you also want matters that do not require such talk, and yet you say this is confidential information, and this one says this does not concern me!

Another questioner : Who said?

The Shaykh : That is Abu... Abu Karim, and yet his words concern every Muslim. You say private matters. If I asked you how old you are, would you say it is a private matter? What if I told you my age is such and such? I see nothing wrong with it!

Another questioner : ... .

The Shaykh : It is important to you, you have your opinion, no, you, may Allah bless you, you do not like to answer, but we need to draw your attention to the fact that this is not from the leniency of Islam. Your Muslim brother asks you how long, and you say it is a private matter. Fine, let it go.

Another questioner : ... .

The Shaykh : My brother, you should have answered before!

Another questioner : If the Amir or the party allows me to speak, I have been in the Tahrir Party since...

The Shaykh : This is a problem. Fine. The party does not allow...

Another questioner : ... I have an Amir over me regarding this matter, so I have obedience to Allah, Glorified and Exalted is He, in lawful obedience in this matter!

The Shaykh : What is your evidence for what you say? A legal question.

Another questioner :

The Shaykh : And who is the Amir that the Messenger referred to in this hadith?

Another questioner : ... .

The Shaykh : Ah, any Amir...

Another questioner : I want to jump over the whole topic...

The Shaykh : No, no, it is not permissible for you to do this, because you want to lose me. My question, you are reminding me, my brother, what was the question?

Another questioner : Regarding any question, my question...

The Shaykh : You are reminding me of the question now, so I am asking you now: is there a tendency in the Tahrir Party toward the Salafiyyah that is in your mind?

Another questioner : Ah, I want to answer, but it will be a bit long...

The Shaykh : No, no, please, briefly, then in detail. Allahu Akbar.

Another questioner : Amin Naif, let me finish!

The Shaykh : My brother, you do not agree on a common word, may Allah bless you. Is this light off or on?

Another questioner : On?

The Shaykh : Fine, there is no such answer in scholarly matters.

Another questioner: Correct.

The Shaykh : If I ask you: has the Tahrir Party started to lean toward the Salafiyyah in the sense that is in your mind, or not?

Another questioner : I want to speak here! A point, I...

The Shaykh : Excuse me, but the professor wants to leave... Yes.

Another questioner : Our Shaykh... something of the Salafiyyah...
Abu Malik: You are hesitant.

Another questioner : A point, truly, he says that the basis of my taking of matters, I mean, I take from the Book and the Sunnah the basis. Here, the Tahrir Party, and the basis is that the Tahrir Party from the start considers all these matters as established!

The questioner : My Shaykh, a question: is there a group of Muslims, from the sects, from the day of the Mu'tazilah to today, that says we do not take from the Book and the Sunnah? I hope your answer is as we want. I hope your answer is yes, there is a group of Muslims, please.

Another questioner : But ah.

The Shaykh : Is there a group of Muslims who pray, fast, and perform Hajj, yet they say our reference is not the Book and the Sunnah? Do you know of such people among the Muslims? Perhaps you will answer once, yes or no?

Another questioner : If you please, Shaykh?

The Shaykh : Perhaps you will answer once, yes or no... You truly must... You truly are a party member, because I know party members like this, and therefore...

Another questioner : ... He wants to trap me in pitfalls! By Allah, if you please, my Shaykh.

The Shaykh : I never allow you!

Another questioner : Two words.

The Shaykh : I never allow you!

Another questioner : Please, your home.

The Shaykh : Unless you establish your methodology in speech. If I ask you: is there, in all these Islamic sects, old and new, who pray and fast like us, do you know among them anyone who says our reference is not the Book and the Sunnah? If I ask you and you answer me yes or no, what is the pitfall you fear falling into? O my Lord!

Another questioner : I...

The Shaykh : This is the debate. Listen, my Shaykh, a question: what I am asking you is, do you know? Did you see how the Tahrir Party is? I lived with the Tahrir Party for thirty years, so you do not know the Tahrir Party. I am the one who knows them, and this is their style. One of us repeats the question where...

Another questioner : I sat with a Shaykh...

The Shaykh : Allow me, my Shaykh, may Allah guide you. I have now recognized from your style that you are a party member and a Tahriri...

The questioner : My Shaykh, but there is an important point!

The Shaykh : Now, what is the pitfall you fear if I tell you there is no sect in the Islamic world that prays and fasts and says we do not take from the Book and the Sunnah...

Another questioner : This is not our topic. I am focusing on a specific point.

The Shaykh : May Allah guide you... No, I do not allow you!

Another questioner : ... But there is a point!

The Shaykh : I want to know the end of this position. The sun is at its zenith, guys, is it out or not? This is not our topic. What is our topic!

Another questioner : ... .

The Shaykh : Our topic is hidden matters, and without doubt...

Another questioner : ... .

The Shaykh: All right.

Another questioner : But there is a point, by Allah, my Shaykh, if you please, I mean, if you wish fromThe Shaykh : was truly in my mind an image ofThe Shaykh : truly that since there are Islamic movements... and they do this point and there are actions to strike Muslims against each other, this is a point... it attacks the Salafiyyah and the Ikhwan and the Muslims, and that they attack each other, did you see... and that this gives the disbelievers from outside the Islamic line the opportunity. The man, that one... but the topic of Islamic groups truly...

The Shaykh : A spear, even if it flies.

The questioner: Not truly.

The Shaykh : A spear, even if it flies.

The questioner : I... fromThe Shaykh ... .

The Shaykh : If you see it on yourself, it is not yours