The obligation is thus established upon *** the saying of the Messenger and the clear Qur'an (reading from the commentary) And you made his followers what you concealed *** out of fear of openly declaring disbelief
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The Shaykh : He says: By Allah, the obligation is established, the obligation is established, yes.
" So this is the impossible, and it is not possible
The obligation is thus established upon *** the saying of the Messenger and the clear Qur'an
And you made his followers"
What? Yes, and what next? What is it?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : One person, people, the voices are confusing me now, yes.
" out of fear of openly declaring and disbelief" .
The student: ... .
The Shaykh : Look, the commentary is not clear, yes, the second one.
The student: " The second answer to the deniers... If its consequence is ascribing a body to Allah as you claimed, then if that is true, the consequent is true, for we did not follow except what the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of His Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) indicated, because it is impossible for something to be false in itself and its consequences to be true. Thus, your obligation is established upon the saying of the Messenger and the clear Qur'an, and that they did not indicate except ascribing a body to Allah and likening Allah to creation. You accused the followers of the Messenger of likening Allah to creation, ascribing a body to Allah, and composition, concealing this. This is the meaning of his saying: 'what you concealed'."
The Shaykh : Who is this?
The student: This is Ibn Isa.
Another student: Al-Hirras says, O Shaykh, "So you made this doctrine a refuge and protection
The Shaykh : What?
The student: Al-Hirras says, O Shaykh, " So you made this doctrine a refuge and protection for you from criticism of the texts themselves" .
The Shaykh : This is coming, let me reflect, it is not apparent.
" And you made his followers what you concealed" .
The student: Fear, meaning, O Shaykh, he says " out of fear that if you attributed, and this is the meaning of his saying: 'what you concealed,' out of fear that if you attributed the Book and the Sunnah to likening Allah to creation and ascribing a body to Allah, you would attribute them to disbelief and misguidance"
The Shaykh : You attributed
The student: " you attributed them to disbelief and misguidance, otherwise the affirmers did not say except what Allah and His Messenger said, but you made your harshness toward his followers a refuge, and your intention is understood, and Allah knows best."
The Shaykh : But composition, meaning
" And you made his followers what you concealed" the verse...
The student: No, I have their news.
The Shaykh : Or their news, all of it is one, all of it is one, in any case... Now it is clear that their saying is false. The first answer, what is it? That we deny the necessity and say this is merely a claim, so the proof is upon you. The second, we concede for the sake of argument that it is necessary, so if it is necessary according to the saying of Allah and the saying of His Messenger, it is true, because the necessary consequence of the truth is true, and thus it is obligatory for you to say it, and if we say it, there is no blame on us. The second answer remains, if Allah wills.
Yes, correct, in any case, do you know that the Nuniyyah actually reveals to us that it has a lot of repetition, I did not think it had such repetition, and if it is repetition, the repeated part, yes.
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Correct, correct, but this is little, in any case, we will pay attention to it, if Allah wills.
" So this is the impossible, and it is not possible
The obligation is thus established upon *** the saying of the Messenger and the clear Qur'an
And you made his followers"
What? Yes, and what next? What is it?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : One person, people, the voices are confusing me now, yes.
" out of fear of openly declaring and disbelief" .
The student: ... .
The Shaykh : Look, the commentary is not clear, yes, the second one.
The student: " The second answer to the deniers... If its consequence is ascribing a body to Allah as you claimed, then if that is true, the consequent is true, for we did not follow except what the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of His Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) indicated, because it is impossible for something to be false in itself and its consequences to be true. Thus, your obligation is established upon the saying of the Messenger and the clear Qur'an, and that they did not indicate except ascribing a body to Allah and likening Allah to creation. You accused the followers of the Messenger of likening Allah to creation, ascribing a body to Allah, and composition, concealing this. This is the meaning of his saying: 'what you concealed'."
The Shaykh : Who is this?
The student: This is Ibn Isa.
Another student: Al-Hirras says, O Shaykh, "So you made this doctrine a refuge and protection
The Shaykh : What?
The student: Al-Hirras says, O Shaykh, " So you made this doctrine a refuge and protection for you from criticism of the texts themselves" .
The Shaykh : This is coming, let me reflect, it is not apparent.
" And you made his followers what you concealed" .
The student: Fear, meaning, O Shaykh, he says " out of fear that if you attributed, and this is the meaning of his saying: 'what you concealed,' out of fear that if you attributed the Book and the Sunnah to likening Allah to creation and ascribing a body to Allah, you would attribute them to disbelief and misguidance"
The Shaykh : You attributed
The student: " you attributed them to disbelief and misguidance, otherwise the affirmers did not say except what Allah and His Messenger said, but you made your harshness toward his followers a refuge, and your intention is understood, and Allah knows best."
The Shaykh : But composition, meaning
" And you made his followers what you concealed" the verse...
The student: No, I have their news.
The Shaykh : Or their news, all of it is one, all of it is one, in any case... Now it is clear that their saying is false. The first answer, what is it? That we deny the necessity and say this is merely a claim, so the proof is upon you. The second, we concede for the sake of argument that it is necessary, so if it is necessary according to the saying of Allah and the saying of His Messenger, it is true, because the necessary consequence of the truth is true, and thus it is obligatory for you to say it, and if we say it, there is no blame on us. The second answer remains, if Allah wills.
Yes, correct, in any case, do you know that the Nuniyyah actually reveals to us that it has a lot of repetition, I did not think it had such repetition, and if it is repetition, the repeated part, yes.
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Correct, correct, but this is little, in any case, we will pay attention to it, if Allah wills.