The continuation of the story with Shaykh Nasib al-Rifai and that he erred against his friend and companion in the da'wah.

The questioner : The brother Houn said a word in connection with the previous hadith aboutThe Shaykh : Nasib is saying, "You should forgiveThe Shaykh : Nasib, and he is between him and that oneThe Shaykh : They are thinking about their heads, why are you not intervening in the matter?

The Shaykh : I do not think it is from him; it is from you.

The questioner : There is no god but Allah, why do you have such bad suspicions?

The Shaykh : Let him testify to your words.

The questioner : This talk is between me and myself, but I do not want to speak.

The questioner : How did they hear it?

The questioner : I heard it from myself.

The questioner : Do you see that he spoke, Professor?

The questioner : In this matter, it is not permissible for reconciliation to be invalid; reconciliationThe Shaykh : with Nasib, and therefore ... something from him, as forThe Shaykh : Nasib, the invalidity of reconciliation with him until he retracts what he said.

The Shaykh : Yes, exactly.

The questioner : No, not until he retracts what he said; you are the second one.

The questioner : Until he repents, meaning.

The Shaykh : Until he retracts what he did with his companion.

The questioner: Yes.

The questioner : What did he do with his companion?

The Shaykh : Did he insult him and fabricate lies against him?

The questioner : Ah.

The Shaykh: Yes.

The questioner : Well, regarding the matter ofThe Shaykh : Nasib, no problem, since the question is raised in this detailed, broad form, I was inspired by the speech that you, our Shaykh, are waiving your personal right regarding Shaykh Nasib.

The Shaykh : Ah.

The questioner : Is this statement correct?

The Shaykh: Correct.

The questioner : So now the problem exists betweenThe Shaykh : Kermani andThe Shaykh : Nasib al-Rifai. I mean, I say, why do you not allow Shaykh Nasib to come to your house and apologize, and then you guide him to the second thing, which is that he apologizes toThe Shaykh : Muhammad Nasser Kermani.

The Shaykh : And why should I allow him to come to me while he is persistent in his sin? And why should not the mediator, as we said, be Ali or whoever was with him, and go to him and advise him, as is obligatory in dealing with all people, and clarify this truth?

The questioner : Oh Shaykh, it is true, but when he hears from you, the matter changes. By Allah, there is no session we hold withThe Shaykh : Nasib where he does not mention you with good, pray for you, and ask about you.

The Shaykh : Does this talk deceive me?

The questioner : Oh Shaykh, fear Allah, in a moment of anger.

The questioner : In a moment of anger.

The questioner : He points at me and says, "Move the issue again."

The questioner : Is there something in my mind?

The Shaykh : No problem, now I am listening to you.

The questioner : Be encouraged.

The Shaykh : How many people have heard this statement from him, that he is my Shaykh, and how many of these people said to him, "You, in your time, said in front of eyewitnesses that you are a misguided Shaykh?" Not one person.

The questioner : People do not know these details.

The Shaykh : The details are not necessary.

The questioner : And they do not even know that he said this word to you.

The Shaykh : They know this first, andThe Shaykh : the Imam second, and I do not know who is third. Why do they not say to him, "Man, you are not the only one; in every gathering you come, the story of al-Albani is told, you say 'my Shaykh' and so on, and in your time, and in the time of people who said about him, but you are a misguided Shaykh."

The questioner : How can one be a student under a misguided Shaykh?

The Shaykh : So how do you testify with this testimony in the presence of other people, and this is a recorded statement against you? When he comes to tell you, "By Allah, I have repented to Allah," I am not the one who repents to Allah. The issue is what we are discussing; it is not stuck on the road, but from the side, calm down a little. His whole life is spent doing this, even exposing the man. How does he want to handle the issue calmly with people?

The questioner : By the guidance of the brothers and your guidance specifically.

The Shaykh : Well, my specific guidance does not come now, because we spoke with him previously and made our effort, and we were more lenient with him than others. Leave him on his belief and you stay on your belief, and cooperate. No, it is impossible for me to cooperate with a person who holds this belief. What is this belief? It does not contradict the Book, nor the Sunnah, nor the consensus of the Ummah. On the contrary, he is the one who contradicted. We have fulfilled our duty, and now it is upon the one who cares for the unity of the word and the unity of the row to fulfill his duty. First, this aspect in which I am waiving my right must be stated. When you hear from him, "He is my Shaykh, he is my teacher," how do these two meet?

The questioner : Even al-Barqawi used to say that, our Shaykh and our beloved, but he said a word that no one had said before him.

The questioner : That was a long time ago, and there is a big difference.

The Shaykh : I know, in your house or his house, we prayed as an imam as you used to do, meaning you would make me the imam, and he was behind me, so I heard him, as the common people do, saying "Ameen" before the people. If you remember this, I turned and reminded the people present of the saying of the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him): And we held a lesson on that. So in those days, he used to say, "What is it, our Shaykh and our teacher, and so on." And when we met in al-Rusayfah, the meeting was not like that, was it?

The questioner: Yes.

The Shaykh : Yes, he came out threatening and warning, and I am watching you, who is this Shaykh of yours, and so on.

The questioner : Al-Rusayfah camp.

The Shaykh : Al-Rusayfah camp, yes.

The questioner : I was present.

The Shaykh : Also.

The questioner : Yes, from the beginning ...

The questioner : The Shaykh : That one, al-Abush.

The Shaykh : Yes, al-Abush.

The questioner : Yes, exactly.

The Shaykh : The word al-Abush reminds me. Look, the day he came, al-Abush andThe Shaykh : Sa'd.

The questioner : That day, I ...

The Shaykh : Well, I foundThe Shaykh : al-Abush, and after himThe Shaykh : Sa'd, and the third one.

The questioner : Nasr al-Banna.

The Shaykh : Nasr al-Banna andThe Shaykh : al-Barqawi. I think he was in the car, or he was in the trunk with them. By Allah, I do not remember now. The important thing is he said to me,The Shaykh : Sa'd is with us,The Shaykh : Yusuf al-Barqawi. We said, "Come on, please, all of you except Yusuf al-Barqawi."

The questioner : Do you remember? Yes.

The Shaykh : Yes, al-Abush and al-Banna entered.

The questioner : The Shaykh : Sa'd did not enter.

The Shaykh : The Shaykh : Sa'd did not enter; he went down to his place. I sat and spoke withThe Shaykh : al-Abush first. They mentioned his discussion with the community in al-Rusayfah, and al-Abush was present, and how he later went out with some of our brothers, thundering and flashing and threatening, and so on. And all of this is going on and known. Then he sent me a letter.

The questioner : After...

The Shaykh : Yes, after the incident, he sent me a letter saying that I had permitted masturbation.

The questioner : This is one of the issues you discussed.

The Shaykh : No, it is not that al-Barqawi influenced you. Pay attention.

The questioner : By Allah, I remember that you discussed this topic.

The Shaykh : Yes, you remember a part of this topic, not the whole topic.

The questioner : On the day of the discussion, I was boiling corn, so sometimes I would sit and sometimes I would go check on the corn.

The Shaykh : Ah, this problem happened several times, like al-Barqawi.

The questioner : May Allah guide you. Give me the corn that day.

The Shaykh : The research was that masturbation, in terms of its relation to breaking the fast,

The questioner : Yes, in fasting.

The Shaykh : Or not breaking the fast, like the forbidden look. The forbidden look is followed by ejaculation; it does not break the fast, but this does not mean that this look is halal. And masturbation is the same. So he wrote to me, in writing, that you have broken the consensus and said that masturbation in Ramadan is permissible. The letter was with me. I spoke with al-Abush about this issue. He said to me, "By Allah, I have no news of this," meaning the issue of the letter. We said, "Well, now you have news. If he is willing to retract this accusation that he fabricated against me, and my library is still full, I do not remember exactly some of it is there. The letter is not with me, and he must have a copy of it. Let him bring us a copy of this letter and admit the error of what he fabricated against me. And I have nothing between me and him." Al-Abush came down, and al-Abush is a good man, you know him, meaning pure-hearted.

The questioner : He said, "It is simple, I will get it now."

The questioner : He thought it was an easy job.

The questioner : He is good.

The Shaykh : He is like that. The important thing is he really came to him and spoke with him. I do not know, but he gave me an answer that is not his nature, but it seems he was given a political answer. May Allah make it good. And this day and that day, and we were receiving multiple intermediaries, and I have nothing except that he brings the letter and repents from it, and that is all.

The questioner : This al-Barqawi, our Shaykh, we know him, and we agree that hope in him is weak.

The questioner : Meaning, he is hopeless.

The Shaykh : Meaning, the matter is as you know. As for Nasib al-Rifai, you do not know him.

The questioner : We know him, but less. The man is polite and has morals, and is a man of da'wah and methodology.

The Shaykh: May Allah forgive you.

The questioner : His methodology is weak.

The Shaykh : May Allah forgive you. Do you know him more, or do I?

The questioner : You know him more, but based on ... with him.

The questioner: Correct, correct.

The Shaykh : I am not saying to him, "Do you know him more, or do I?" He is socially polite.

The questioner: Yes.

The Shaykh : He is socially polite, and if he is truly polite in the Shari'ah sense, he should show us this politeness with that poor man, that poor man.

The questioner : I saw him once.

The Shaykh : The man is poor, you could say destitute, and he was struck by a calamity more than ten years ago. His eldest son is an electrician, and he climbed a three-story building to install the electrical wiring, which is his job. And, glory be to Allah, his wife was with him because it was summer, and while they were sleeping there with their children, the entire building collapsed, and he and his wife and the rest perished.

The questioner : Ya Latif (O Magnificent).

The Shaykh : He is a patient man, and he has another son who resides in Kuwait and lives on his simple labor in the shop. Despite his extreme poverty, he has a modest house in the path of da'wah. He removed the partition wall between one room and another, and, what Allah willed, it became a spacious place that would fill with people when it was convenient for me to go there to deliver lessons. And his mother, may Allah have mercy on her, I have not seen among mothers anyone more intelligent or better than she was. She used to advise him, even though her son did not need such a will, and she would advise him toThe Shaykh : do good, and he never falls short, despite his poverty and lack of means. This man is treated with this bad treatment by a prominent man, the head of the Ansaar al-Sunnah group there, and so on, a companion in da'wah for all those years. I mean, the ugliness of this cannot be described. You know him, we know him, but we know more than that. And what prevents him from repenting to Allah, Mighty and Majestic, for what he has done? He is like me, meaning each of us is on the edge of his grave. What stops him except arrogance? Except arrogance? And the worst thing in a man is arrogance, and I seek refuge in Allah. And Allah is the Helper.

The questioner : If he met you now and you asked him whether he made this accusation against him, he would say, yes, I accused him, or he would deny it.

The Shaykh : Ask him.

The questioner : No, I mean, he did not.

The questioner : He did not mention what Allah mentioned; he mentions it before us.

The Shaykh : What did you hear from him? He was speaking for that hour, and he rarely speaks like this. What did you hear him saying? Do not ask me this question; ask Ali.

The questioner : Ask Ali.

The Shaykh : I mean, that is it, Shaykh. What is your opinion in brief? We are selling it to Nasaib al-Rafai... ?

The questioner : Peace be upon you, and Allah's mercy and blessings.

The questioner : And upon you be peace, and Allah's mercy and blessings.

The Shaykh : And upon you be peace, and Allah's mercy and blessings. And glory be to You, O Allah, and with Your praise. I bear witness that there is no deity but You. I seek Your forgiveness and repent to You.