Continuing the mention of the events that occurred with Nasaib al-Rafai.

The Shaykh : The witness to this is that we knocked on the door, and the owner of the house came out, and with him was the imam.

The questioner : Glory be to Allah.

The Shaykh : I don't know why he and the imam came out. Welcome and welcome, and please, come in. We are not coming to have lunch with the man, but they insisted on us with strong insistence. We entered, and ifThe Shaykh : Nasaib was inside, the secret of the insistence on entering was revealed.

The questioner : Explain the reason for the insistence.

The Shaykh : They had set up a table like this, truly a modest one, with food, what Allah willed. Nasaib, as soon as he stood up, he didn't see me. He stood up, you know how he is in this way. And I, with all my stiffness and all my coldness, barely extended my hand to him. We sat around the table, and I was recently returned from a trip of mine to Morocco. He started asking me how our brothers are there, and how is Dr.The Shaykh : Taki al-Din al-Halali? Do you hear about him? (may Allah have mercy on him). I told him, I have no words with you until you repent to Allah, Mighty and Majestic. He said to me, what did you do? I told him, do you know what you did with Muhammad Nasser al-Kermani? And poor me, I felt as if a thorn was in him, he no longer knew how to eat.

The questioner : The Shaykh is being sincere, it is not easy.

The Shaykh : And the people who were listening and those who saw my stance.

The questioner : Of course, they put the blame on you?

The Shaykh : Especially the imam first, and the honorable son-in-law second, that this treatment is not harsher than this. A man attacks you, shakes your hand, and you do not shake his hand, and you speak to him with these words, and so on. We left from there, my brothers, how many times have I told you the story of the man? Until when will I repeat to your ears what he did to the man of fabrication and slander, and so on? And you want to see with your own eyes, because he who sees is not like he who hears. They said, yes, by Allah. We told the honorable imam, call him and let him come to us one day, and he came to us with him, and he brought a recorder, and the meeting took place.

The questioner : By Allah, you, my teacher, treat matters from their roots.

The Shaykh : And the meeting took place. Mahmud, the brother of the imam, attended the meeting, your eminence.

The questioner : Known as the son-in-law of K.

The Shaykh : Known as our son-in-law, yes, I took a daughter from the daughters of my brother. Mahmud Shalbayy attended, or was it Muhammad?

The questioner : Mahmud.

The Shaykh : Mahmud Shalbayy.

The questioner : (may Allah have mercy on him), this is the one who passed away.

The Shaykh : I mean, his morals were noble, he was calm in nature, and so on. My son-in-law attended, of course, and who else was there? Do you remember?

The questioner : Ahmad?

The Shaykh : He was at his house.

The questioner : By Allah, I do not remember.

The Shaykh : You do not remember. The important thing is, and a large German recorder was present.

The questioner : To count his breaths.

The Shaykh : No, he was in any case, he had brought it, I don't know what its story is. The important thing is, the topic started. Nasaib al-Rafai started speaking about the infallibility of the wives of the Messenger, (peace and blessings be upon him). I told him, among what I told him, this opinion is not one that anyone says.

The questioner : And this is necessary to start with from here, meaning, a Salafi, however he understands this verse with this understanding.

The Shaykh : I mean, it is as if you are approving me in what I did.

The questioner : No, I am patient with you all this time, you must ask this question.

The Shaykh : I mean.

The questioner : I usually do not have this much patience.

The questioner : May Allah reward you with good.

The Shaykh : But also the question is repeated, meaning, it is as if you are approving me in this?

The questioner : No, I am reminding you, a reminder .

The Shaykh : How do you remind me when I have done it?

The questioner : I know, I mean, the method of research...

The questioner : If I had not done it, I would remind him, but I am approving.

The questioner : I had spoken about the topic more than anyone who understood the verse with this understanding other than you.

The Shaykh : I know, my brother, who understood it? He is the transmitter of the consensus. May Allah guide you and him.

The questioner : By Allah, excellent. May Allah bless you.

The Shaykh : Yes, if he was the transmitter of the consensus in his opinion, but I did not want this research.

The questioner : Transmitter of the consensus that you...

The Shaykh : Transmitter of the consensus that the wives of the Messenger, (peace and blessings be upon him), are infallible, did you understand?

The questioner : ... the wives of all the messengers.

The Shaykh : But this infallibility, we understand it in terms of the end, as Muhammad Nasser al-Kermani says, and not in terms of it being a creedal matter, because the creed negates it. What we mentioned is the saying of the Messenger to Aisha . The witness is that this was not my intention. I told him: Who is with you in this opinion from the scholars? He said: Ibn Baz. I told him, Ibn Baz does not say what you say. He said, he does not say. We told him, well, I have a suggestion, what do you think if you write a fatwa request to Shaykh Ibn Baz regarding this issue, that the wives of the Messenger are infallible from zina or they are not infallible, and if they are noble, chaste, and so on. Put your signature, I will put my signature with you. He said, no, I do not write. I told him, why do you not write, since you believe that this is the truth, and I do not believe that this is the truth, but I will participate in the fatwa request and put my signature. He said, no, I do not write. Then he started speaking without consciousness like a stray camel. And on this occasion, he said to me that word. He said to me, I do not deny you, my Shaykh, and I have benefited from you, and so on, but you are a misguided Shaykh. Here Shalbayy intervened, Mahmud 'Atiyyah intervened, and so on. My Shaykh Nasaib, what is the reason for such words? And we left from there without benefiting anything. After that, we saw our brothers who saw my stance there. What do you think, my brothers? This is a person, it is very much upon me that I boycott him. This boycott is not for my sake. This is an incident that happened for the first time, he surprised me with his saying that you are my Shaykh, but you are a misguided Shaykh. I boycotted him for the sake of this person, and until now I say this word: let him admit to his fabrication and repent from what he fabricated about that innocent man, and there is nothing between me and him at all.

The questioner : And if he remained on his opinion in the issue?

The Shaykh : And if he remained on his opinion in the issue.

The questioner : And if his admission was general?

The Shaykh : What general admission?

The questioner : I mean, he says, for example, by Allah, I made a mistake with so-and-so, and I seek Allah's forgiveness and I repent to Him.

The Shaykh : No, the general admission is not sufficient, because this is like an oath on the intention of the one who takes the oath. The issue has precision, because now I... there is a person with whom I can say I did not make a mistake with Abu 'Abdullah, because I deal with him a lot. It is not possible to say, by Allah, I admit generally that I made a mistake with so-and-so. But if I had insulted him one day, the general admission is not sufficient. I must admit that I slandered him, fabricated against him, and seek Allah's forgiveness for what I did, and so on. Be a mediator of good, oh my Shaykh 'Ali, so that we may come out with a benefit from this discussion.
Abu Layla : I mean, my Shaykh, excuse me, previously we understood, because of the boycott, I told the Shaykh that it is the difference in the issue.

The Shaykh : This difference resulted after, my brother.

The questioner : Yes, exactly.

The Shaykh : No, we still say he is wrong in the issue, but we do not boycott him for it. We boycotted him for his fabrication against that man. We told him in his own house, also just now, stay on your opinion and let him stay on his opinion, but they remained cooperating.
Abu Layla : I mean, does a person, my Shaykh, now boycott one of his brothers on the example of if they were different?

The Shaykh : It does not happen, no.
Abu Layla : It does not happen.

The Shaykh : It does not happen.
Abu Layla : May Allah reward you with good.

The Shaykh: Yes.