Discussion of the first Gulf crisis.

The questioner : The primary objective and the greatest fear of the Americans is human casualties. The greatest human casualties occur in a ground invasion, on land.

The Shaykh : Yes, indeed.

The questioner : The Americans did not enter the land to fight the Iraqis on their soil, and the Americans did not kill.

The Shaykh : They will not be the sacrificial lamb.

The questioner : If an entry is to happen, it will happen.

Another questioner : Let me give you the picture that all military analysts are saying. The battle will be as follows. They will remain... Iraq with long-range weapons and... and missiles until it becomes... when they descend, it will be over.

The Shaykh : This speech is impossible. This speech.
The attendees: ...

The Shaykh : This speech is imaginary. Any battle that has occurred with this strategy is contrary to reality, Professor.

The questioner : I ask for the reasonable. The soldier is sitting in a trench, a tank is coming at him. Do you want him to think whether the tank has an Egyptian or a Jordanian on it?

The Shaykh : Look at this speech! This is strange speech.

The questioner : A question.The Shaykh : It is not like that, question.The Shaykh : It does not say you start.

The Shaykh : Why are you, Doctor? You are also hyping up the topic. But why do you say that you do not imagine who is telling you to imagine this picture? Are these Muslim armies free, or are they under American command?

The questioner : Unified command.

The Shaykh : Allow me, sir. I am asking you a question that is not being answered. Brother, what happened? What is to happen under Arab command? Look at this strange humility.

The questioner : For your information, even the British forces and the American forces, all of them are under his command alone, and the French.

Another questioner : ... .

The Shaykh : The doctor does not know where you were an hour ago. May Allah be pleased with you.

Another questioner : ... .

The Shaykh : Hehehehe.

The questioner : Who is the one who knows? The Egyptian brothers and the ones who know a few of the Saudi brothers. The Saudi one might be in the plane, striking the force. The logic of things, if you have a strategic force of three hundred thousand and you want to enter with one hundred thousand, and with you... another, that the majority... the majority...

Another questioner : It will not happen...

The questioner : Sir, on my head, if you can prevent them...

Another questioner : Do you know what the Americans fear most now? What is it? The American female soldiers who want to return inside America...

The questioner : We have moved to another topic. If you want to ask me if a war will happen or not, that is another matter. Everyone has his own independent legal reasoning... but our question, which reached us with several questions to the Shaykh, is that we... summarized it at the end...

Another questioner : ... .

The Shaykh : There is no god but Allah, brothers, brothers. How many of us are here, for example, thirty, forty, agreed?

The questioner : No.

The Shaykh : So if we enter a battle, we agree.

The questioner : ... agreed.

The Shaykh : May Allah guide you.

The questioner : ... .

The questioner : There is a command, Professor, that organizes the matter. There is no room for personal opinions.

The Shaykh : Where is this command? Is it in the unseen?

The questioner : No, the command exists. How?

The Shaykh : Where is it?

The questioner : It exists.

The Shaykh : Where does the command exist?

The questioner : For exampleThe Shaykh : Nasser.

The Shaykh : So is it obeyed?

The questioner : It is obeyed when!

The Shaykh : It is not obeyed. I say this except in argument, and I am just one of you. But the truth is, this disagreement on this small scale represents the great disagreement.

The questioner : Samples.

The Shaykh : And therefore, unfortunately, you are living in dreams and treating issues with purely imaginary matters. I am just asking: will the Americans substitute for a soldier when they can provide a Muslim? They will kill two birds with one stone. First, they save an American soldier, and second, they make the Muslims lose a Muslim soldier. You are reversing the truth and saying no.
Al-Halabi : They said we will not sacrifice a single American soldier. George Bush himself declared this.

The Shaykh : Allahu Akbar. You are reversing the facts. You say they must fight with soldiers. I do not know what they call them, foreign.

The questioner : This soldier obeys the order of America. We want to say to him, please, come, take over, and we are with you. We are...

Another questioner : We are... we are with you, because, meaning, taking this direction. If we want to take the events that happened in the past, America fought in Vietnam, fought with its soldiers. Now they fight if the need arises, they will fight.

The Shaykh : You are wrong now, you are wrong now, my dear. I am telling you two, three times. You are wrong now, you are wrong now, you are wrong now, and you are proceeding and immersed. What is the speech? What does this mean? I do not say in its absence, there is a difference.

Another questioner : ... and the Americans lost fifty thousand.

The questioner : What I do not want to say is the following: when they decide that they will send, yes, for them, human casualties mean a lot, and they think about it a million times. But when the need arises, they will fight, they will battle, they will attack, and they will kill. And they did this.

The Shaykh : What is your opinion? Put your hand here. I agree with your speech. Do you agree with my speech?

The questioner : Which one, sir?

The Shaykh : The one coming to you.

The questioner : The one coming, I do not know!

Another questioner : Until he hears.

The Shaykh : Okay, hear it. If the Americans are able to achieve their desired goal with soldiers other than their own soldiers.

The questioner : Of course, they will do it.

The Shaykh : Okay, this is what we are talking about.

The questioner : Meaning, this is possible, agreed...

The Shaykh : Yes, but we hear from you, you or the doctor, that these soldiers, the picture of these, they will not fight, they will not enter battles, and so on. The ones who fight are Americans and British. This is purely imaginary speech.

The questioner : Correct, but allow me now. I want to say that America knows that the Iraqi is a fighting soldier and a fierce fighter. Now America is gathering three hundred thousand fighters. Meaning, if America is calculating that it needs the fifty thousand Saudis to fight, and the thousand Syrians, sir, the ones coming are one thousand and two hundred, and the Egyptians, as soon as they arrived, they arrived without weapons and said they and the shoes are one. In truth, these, in the overall concept of war, do not constitute anything. Therefore, America... is fighting one million regular Iraqi fighters plus one million and a quarter volunteers, all trained on weapons. The battle is not a battle of how many Syrians or how many of this or that. It is much bigger than that. Therefore, they must fight.

Another questioner : Sir, allow me. I may not understand in the military either.

The Shaykh : Please, we are all in the air, equal.

The questioner : There is a difference between the two operations: the defensive operation and the offensive operation. In the offense, you need very large numbers, larger than what is needed in defense. And if you want to attack an area, you must come with very large numbers and bear many very large casualties. I do not thinkThe Shaykh : says that the Americans are prepared to sit in Saudi Arabia and sit with all their weapons in a defensive position. But when the moment for the final attack comes, if an attack is to happen, they will not enter. They will enter with the Muslims in front of them.

The Shaykh : This is the requirement of their care for their lives.

The questioner : ... .

The Shaykh : This is the requirement of their care for the destruction of the Muslims.

The questioner : So now, all the talk is in the process of reaching the ruling that if this talk is completed and there are Syrians and Moroccans and so on in the front, this, as a result... we reach a ruling. If so, the ruling is so. If so, the ruling is so.

The Shaykh : It is so. I was asked, in response to your speech, I was asked by some of them, from some Kuwaitis and Saudis, if they want to fight the Iraqis. I told them, do not fight and do not battle. The same answer you are hearing. But I detailed it. I said, whoever has the choice among you, let him be a door of his house. And whoever is forced against his will, he is first, legally, not accountable, by the evidence of the hadith and so on. So if you are forced or they force you against your will and you meet an army of disbelievers, fight them. But if it is a Muslim against a Muslim, you try to preserve your life. Do not let your president kill you, and do not kill your Muslim brother in front of you, as much as you are able to do so. This is my answer, and this is the answer that completely contradicts Islam.

The questioner : May Allah reward you with good. Now we have taken the ruling. Now, regarding the fact that the premise was, now the ruling in the other hypothesis. We are talking if it is so, it is so. Now the other hypothesis is that it was taken and you really cannot distinguish in this mixture?

The Shaykh : Withdraw.

The questioner : You withdraw.

The Shaykh : It is known.

The questioner : Meaning, the door of precaution.

The Shaykh : No, it is not just this; there are also matters that are mixed together, such as a weak hadith that is strengthened by the multiplicity of its chains, or the testimony of two women equaling the testimony of one man. If the Iraqi army were one hundred percent Muslim, the answer would be different: you would fight. But if Muslims are mixed with disbelievers, do you understand? This army is not an Islamic army, and its fighting is not Islamic fighting. Therefore, when these matters are mixed together, I say remain neutral. But when the issue is separated, you fight with the Iraqis against the Americans, as we said, explicitly. However, when the wheat and the tares are mixed, the Muslim with the disbeliever, no, you do not join the Iraqis, because the Iraqis are not fighting in the cause of Allah. Allah is our helper. Let us pray the 'Isha' prayer.

The questioner : ... We are not currently prepared for fighting Does this mean?

The Shaykh : Well, here too there is a legal ruling. They have announced that they may open centers for training in weapons and nursing, and I do not know what else, and so on. I was asked and I answered, and I say what I answer: I say this is obligatory and this is an opportunity. When we were in Syria and the war started between the Arab states and the Jews, they used to train the people, and I was among those who were trained, running and jogging. So I say now this is an opportunity to be seized and taken advantage of, so that those among us who have never carried a weapon in their time can train. But you hear from others that this is absolutely the case, whereas I say train with one condition: that you do not expose yourselves to violating a legal ruling. Do you see what the legal violation is? For example, those who will train you, most likely, I think the matter will not be from the popular army; it will be from the regular government army. This regular person is not living under an Islamic system, as evidenced by the fact that we often hear complaints from some Muslim youth, whether conscripted or voluntary, that when they hear the adhan for Jumu'ah, they ask their officer for permission to pray Jumu'ah, but he does not allow it. If they have the freedom to discuss, they say, "O Shaykh, why is it like this? You are now in jihad!" What jihad! Because they are being trained for twenty-four hours, I do not know how many hours, and he is in jihad. Due to his ignorance of the Shari'ah, he justifies for himself abandoning an individual obligation, which is the Jumu'ah prayer, in order to preserve a collective obligation. And if it were a continuous collective obligation, that would be one thing, but it is only hours of the day. Yes, this person represents this system that will train the popular army, do you see? So if they announce that the training time is during the congregational prayer, I do not mean Jumu'ah, you ask for permission to go pray, they do not allow you, there is no room for it. At that point, I say this training is not permissible. Why? Because you are training to perform a collective obligation while you are abandoning individual obligations. This is one of the problems of joining a system that does not rule by Islam or does not submit to Islam. So when we imagine that eighty thousand of us go to fight with the Iraqi system, I gave an example: I attended the 'Asr prayer in the battle, and these Islamists stood up to pray. Is prayer forbidden? What is the prayer now? The enemy is in front of us; they may ambush us, they may surprise us. There is no prayer to be performed here, or not.

The questioner : They will do it, they will do more than that.

The Shaykh : You do not know.

The questioner : Allah knows best, we do not know.

Another questioner : I know for certain.

The Shaykh : Abu Yahya does not know. I am not talking about here, my brother, I am talking about there.
Al-Halabi : Our Shaykh, regarding the popular army, I think they take care of everything, even the beard; they leave the bearded man bearded, and the times of prayer, I saw.

The questioner : The Shaykh : He is talking about there.
Al-Halabi : No, no,The Shaykh : Now about the training that is here.

The Shaykh : No, no, I spoke about these things if they go there and join under the banner there, that is what we are talking about. Come on, brothers, let us pray, it is now a quarter to eleven.