The meaning of the poet's statement: "And Abu Ali and his son and al-Ash'ari *** and after him Ibn al-Tabiyyah the divine, and all the masters of false discourse, the *** condemned by the imams of faith"
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The Shaykh :"And Abu Ali and his son and al-Ash'ari *** and after him Ibn al-Tabiyyah the divine
And all the masters of false discourse *** condemned by the imams of faith
They distinguished and said that that is in what has no beginning *** true in eternity without possibility
They said that due to the contradiction between the eternal *** and the created, these two do not coexist
But the continuation of action in the future *** has no danger of denial"
Now, Abu Ali, if in your explanation I...
The student: Muhammad...
The Shaykh : Huh?
The student: al-Jubba'i.
The Shaykh : Huh?
The student: al-Jubba'i the sect.
The Shaykh : al-Jubba'i?
The student: al-Jubba'i.
The Shaykh : Mu'tazili, and his son? Abu Hashim is also Mu'tazili, al-Ash'ari is well known.
The student: Abu al-Hasan?
The Shaykh : Yes?
The student: Is he Abu al-Hasan?
The Shaykh : Abu al-Hasan.
"And al-Ash'ari" These three, and after him Ibn al-Tabiyyah, who is he?
The student: al-Baqillani
The Shaykh : Now, al-Baqillani, the divine
"And all the masters of false discourse *** condemned by the imams of faith
They distinguished and said that that is in what has no beginning *** true in eternity without possibility
They said that due to the contradiction between the eternal *** and the creation, these two do not coexist
But the continuation of action in the future *** has no danger of denial" These people distinguished, all the imams of Kalam distinguished between succession in the past and succession in the future, so they said: succession in the past is prohibited, why? They said because if we said succession, occurrence would be impossible, so the statement of succession and the statement of occurrence do not coexist, they said: due to the contradiction between the eternal and the creation, how do we say it is eternal and say it is created? Because the eternal cannot be created, therefore succession in the past is prohibited, but the future is fine, because succession in the future does not prevent occurrence, but Ibn al-Qayyim will respond to them.
The important thing we understood now is how many opinions are there?
The student: Three.
The Shaykh : The possibility of succession in the past and the future, second: its impossibility in both, third: the distinction, which is the school of the Ash'aris and all the people of Kalam. He said: "So look at the deception in this distinction *** promoting it to the one-eyed and the blind"
So look, O addressed one, at the deception, deception means mixing, confusion, and lack of clarification, in this distinction, the distinction between succession in the past and the future, "promoting it to the one-eyed and the blind" As for the one who has two eyes, they do not promote this to him, rather this is promoted to a one-eyed man who does not look except with one eye, or a blind man who does not look at all, they are in reality the people of Kalam, from the category of the one-eyed or from the category of the blind?
The student: The blind.
The Shaykh : The one-eyed, because they looked with one eye, succession in the future, and were blind to succession in the past.
"No one of intellect said that the individual has *** eternity for one of mind and no bodies
But every individual is preceded by an individual *** before him forever without calculation
And the like of this, every individual is *** followed by an individual after him, two judgments"
Ibn al-Qayyim says in the answer to their speech: We do not say by the precedence of the specific thing, we do not say by the precedence of the specific thing.
And all the masters of false discourse *** condemned by the imams of faith
They distinguished and said that that is in what has no beginning *** true in eternity without possibility
They said that due to the contradiction between the eternal *** and the created, these two do not coexist
But the continuation of action in the future *** has no danger of denial"
Now, Abu Ali, if in your explanation I...
The student: Muhammad...
The Shaykh : Huh?
The student: al-Jubba'i.
The Shaykh : Huh?
The student: al-Jubba'i the sect.
The Shaykh : al-Jubba'i?
The student: al-Jubba'i.
The Shaykh : Mu'tazili, and his son? Abu Hashim is also Mu'tazili, al-Ash'ari is well known.
The student: Abu al-Hasan?
The Shaykh : Yes?
The student: Is he Abu al-Hasan?
The Shaykh : Abu al-Hasan.
"And al-Ash'ari" These three, and after him Ibn al-Tabiyyah, who is he?
The student: al-Baqillani
The Shaykh : Now, al-Baqillani, the divine
"And all the masters of false discourse *** condemned by the imams of faith
They distinguished and said that that is in what has no beginning *** true in eternity without possibility
They said that due to the contradiction between the eternal *** and the creation, these two do not coexist
But the continuation of action in the future *** has no danger of denial" These people distinguished, all the imams of Kalam distinguished between succession in the past and succession in the future, so they said: succession in the past is prohibited, why? They said because if we said succession, occurrence would be impossible, so the statement of succession and the statement of occurrence do not coexist, they said: due to the contradiction between the eternal and the creation, how do we say it is eternal and say it is created? Because the eternal cannot be created, therefore succession in the past is prohibited, but the future is fine, because succession in the future does not prevent occurrence, but Ibn al-Qayyim will respond to them.
The important thing we understood now is how many opinions are there?
The student: Three.
The Shaykh : The possibility of succession in the past and the future, second: its impossibility in both, third: the distinction, which is the school of the Ash'aris and all the people of Kalam. He said: "So look at the deception in this distinction *** promoting it to the one-eyed and the blind"
So look, O addressed one, at the deception, deception means mixing, confusion, and lack of clarification, in this distinction, the distinction between succession in the past and the future, "promoting it to the one-eyed and the blind" As for the one who has two eyes, they do not promote this to him, rather this is promoted to a one-eyed man who does not look except with one eye, or a blind man who does not look at all, they are in reality the people of Kalam, from the category of the one-eyed or from the category of the blind?
The student: The blind.
The Shaykh : The one-eyed, because they looked with one eye, succession in the future, and were blind to succession in the past.
"No one of intellect said that the individual has *** eternity for one of mind and no bodies
But every individual is preceded by an individual *** before him forever without calculation
And the like of this, every individual is *** followed by an individual after him, two judgments"
Ibn al-Qayyim says in the answer to their speech: We do not say by the precedence of the specific thing, we do not say by the precedence of the specific thing.