A reading from the beginning of the poet's statement: "A section on their objection to the claim of the permanence of the Lord's (Exalted is He) agency, His speech, and His separation from them," to the end of this section.
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The reader: "A section on their objection to the claim of the permanence of the Lord's (Exalted is He) agency, His speech, and His separation from them
So if you claim that that is a sequence, *** we say you are truthful, and it is possible
Like the sequence of effect in the future, *** is there any distinction between them?
By Allah, they do not differ for one with intellect, *** nor by transmission, nor by reason, nor by proof
In denying possibility or in its opposite, *** these are our minds, and we are people of intellect
So let the one who is distinct bring a distinction *** that clarifies for the sound minds
And likewise, the difference between the Jahmiyyah is thus, *** and al-'Alaf in denial and falsehood
And for this reason, they ruled with a false ruling, *** decisively regarding the Gardens and the Fires
So the Jahmiyyah annihilated the Essence, and al-'Alaf *** "
The Shaykh : Al-'Alaf
The reader: "So the Jahmiyyah annihilated the Essence, and al-'Alaf *** annihilated the motions, said al-Thawran
And Abu Ali and his son al-Ash'ari *** "
The Shaykh : And Abu
The reader: "And Abu Ali and his son al-Ash'ari *** "
The Shaykh : And al-Ash'ari, with a waw in it.
The reader: And Abu Ali and his son and al-Ash'ari
The Shaykh : And al-Ash'ar***i.
The reader: And after him?
The Shaykh : And after him, Ibn al-Tabib al-Rabbani.
The reader: And Abu Ali and his son al-Ash'ari
The Shaykh : No waw, remove the waw, my brother, remove the waw
The reader: And Abu Ali and his son and al-Ash'ari and af***ter him
The Shaykh : No, no, in the middle of the verse, the yaa is from "and al-Ash'ari," and al-Ash'ar***i
The reader: And al-Ash'ari*** and after
The Shaykh : The yaa in al-Ash'ari is divided between the first and second hemistich.
The reader: "And Abu Ali and his son and al-Ash'ar***i and after him Ibn al-Tabib al-Rabbani
And all the masters of false discourse, *** which is blameworthy in the eyes of the Imams of faith
They distinguished and said that that which has no beginning *** is true, and in eternity without possibility "
The Shaykh : Huh?
The student: They distinguished.
The Shaykh : It does not contradict, it is possible, "they distinguished" is correct, but "it does not contradict," the lightening.
The reader: "They said, due to the contradiction of the eternal *** and the created, these two "
The Shaykh : And the creation.
The reader: "They said, due to the contradiction of the eternal *** and the creation, these two do not combine
But the permanence of action in the future, *** there is no danger in its denial
So look at the deception in this distinction, *** a promotion for the blind "
The Shaykh : Al-'Uran.
The reader: "So look at the deception in this distinction, *** a promotion for al-'Uran and the blind
No one with intellect has said that the individual has *** an eternity for one with mind or for realities
Rather, every individual is preceded by an individual *** before it, forever, without calculation
And the like of this, every individual is *** created "
The Shaykh : It is, and the like of this.
The reader: And the like of this, every individual is created
The Shaykh : No, it is "mal," and the like of this
The reader: "And the like of this, it is mal***hooq ".
The Shaykh : Every individual is mal***hooq
The reader: "And the like of this, every individual is mal***hooq by an individual after it, two rulings
The species and the individual are preceded and mal***, and every one of them is from it, so it is
And the species does not perish at the end, so it does *** not perish likewise at the beginning, by explanation
And the succession of moments is a fixed matter *** in the mind, and it is so in the realities
So if you deny this and say the first of *** the moments is a beginning without denial
That moment was not seen as preceded *** except by denying its existence
That moment was not seen as preceded "
The Shaykh : The moment, the moment.
The reader: "That moment was not seen as preceded *** except by denying its true existence
It is said, what do you mean by moments? Do *** you mean the duration of these times
From the time of the creation of the highest heavens, *** the earth, the spheres, and the two moons
And we think you mean that, and there was *** nothing of the creations before it
Has there come to you in that any report, and any *** text, and any reason, and any proof
This Book and these reports, *** and the rational in the innate dispositions "
The Shaykh : in
The reader: "This Book and these reports and the***rational in the innate dispositions and the minds
We judge you by what you wish *** from it, for all truth is in clarification "
The Shaykh : With us, so rule, copy, remove the copy: so the rule of truth
The reader: "Or is not the creation of the universe in the days li***ke that, and that is taken from the Qur'an
Or is not that time a duration *** for the occurrence of something, and it is the very time
So the reality of times is the relation of an occurrence *** to other than it, that is the reality of times
And look at the report of precedence for the determination and the***timing before all that has realities "
The student: And mention, O Shaykh?
The Shaykh : Yes, and mention.
The student: He said: And look
The Shaykh : Yes, yes, and mention
The reader: "And mention the report of precedence for the determination and the***timing before all that has realities
Fifty thousand years, counted by the chosen one, *** preceding that of the creations
This, and the Throne of the Lord above the water, *** before the years by a duration and time
And people differ regarding the Pen that *** wrote the decree with, from the Judge
Was it before the Throne or is it after it? *** Two opinions according to Abu al-'Ala al-Hamdani
And the truth is that the Throne is before, because *** before the writing it had pillars
And the writing of the noble Pen followed *** its creation without "
The Shaykh : Followed, followed?
The reader: Yes, yes.
The Shaykh : Yes, yes, and what is after it?
The reader: Its creation?
The Shaykh : Its creation.
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Yes?
The student: Did it write the decree or was the decree written?
The Shaykh : Where?
The student: The verse before it, and people differ
The Shaykh : Was the decree written
The reader: "And the writing of the noble Pen followed *** its creation without a separation of time
When Allah proved it, He said, write thus, *** so it became, by the command of Allah, in motion
So it ran with what is to be, forever, until *** the Day of Meeting, by the power of the Most Merciful
Was the Lord of the Throne, Exalted is His Majesty, *** before this weak and deficient
Or has He not ceased to have power, and the act*** is possible "
The Shaykh : Huh? Or has He not, or has He not ceased
The reader: "Or has He not ceased to have power, and the act*** is possible "
The Shaykh : No, and the act is pos***
The reader: "Or has He not ceased to have power, and the act is pos***sible for Him forever, and it is possible
So if you ask and say, what is this that *** led them to this disagreement, this clarification
And for what reason did they not say that He, *** Exalted is He, is permanent in doing good
So know that when the people founded *** the principle of discourse, they were blind to the Qur'an
And to the Hadith and the requirement of reason, and *** to the fitrah of the Most Merciful and the proof
And they built their rules upon it, so it led them *** by force to denial and falsehood
Denying the standing of every occurring matter *** with the Lord, fearing the sequence of realities
So that would block for them, in their claim, *** the establishment of the Maker of these creations
Since they established it by the fact that bodies are *** occurring, so they do not separate from occurrence
So if occurrences are sequenced, there is *** no proof for their occurrence at that time
So for this reason, they said the sequence is false, *** and the body does not lack occurrence
So it is valid then, the occurrence of the body from *** this proof, by clear evidence
These are the limits for the feet of people *** in this narrow station, the enclosures
So who will bring a clear opening *** that saves people from the depths of confusion
So Allah will reward him what he deserves, *** from the Garden of Refuge with the Pleasure "
So if you claim that that is a sequence, *** we say you are truthful, and it is possible
Like the sequence of effect in the future, *** is there any distinction between them?
By Allah, they do not differ for one with intellect, *** nor by transmission, nor by reason, nor by proof
In denying possibility or in its opposite, *** these are our minds, and we are people of intellect
So let the one who is distinct bring a distinction *** that clarifies for the sound minds
And likewise, the difference between the Jahmiyyah is thus, *** and al-'Alaf in denial and falsehood
And for this reason, they ruled with a false ruling, *** decisively regarding the Gardens and the Fires
So the Jahmiyyah annihilated the Essence, and al-'Alaf *** "
The Shaykh : Al-'Alaf
The reader: "So the Jahmiyyah annihilated the Essence, and al-'Alaf *** annihilated the motions, said al-Thawran
And Abu Ali and his son al-Ash'ari *** "
The Shaykh : And Abu
The reader: "And Abu Ali and his son al-Ash'ari *** "
The Shaykh : And al-Ash'ari, with a waw in it.
The reader: And Abu Ali and his son and al-Ash'ari
The Shaykh : And al-Ash'ar***i.
The reader: And after him?
The Shaykh : And after him, Ibn al-Tabib al-Rabbani.
The reader: And Abu Ali and his son al-Ash'ari
The Shaykh : No waw, remove the waw, my brother, remove the waw
The reader: And Abu Ali and his son and al-Ash'ari and af***ter him
The Shaykh : No, no, in the middle of the verse, the yaa is from "and al-Ash'ari," and al-Ash'ar***i
The reader: And al-Ash'ari*** and after
The Shaykh : The yaa in al-Ash'ari is divided between the first and second hemistich.
The reader: "And Abu Ali and his son and al-Ash'ar***i and after him Ibn al-Tabib al-Rabbani
And all the masters of false discourse, *** which is blameworthy in the eyes of the Imams of faith
They distinguished and said that that which has no beginning *** is true, and in eternity without possibility "
The Shaykh : Huh?
The student: They distinguished.
The Shaykh : It does not contradict, it is possible, "they distinguished" is correct, but "it does not contradict," the lightening.
The reader: "They said, due to the contradiction of the eternal *** and the created, these two "
The Shaykh : And the creation.
The reader: "They said, due to the contradiction of the eternal *** and the creation, these two do not combine
But the permanence of action in the future, *** there is no danger in its denial
So look at the deception in this distinction, *** a promotion for the blind "
The Shaykh : Al-'Uran.
The reader: "So look at the deception in this distinction, *** a promotion for al-'Uran and the blind
No one with intellect has said that the individual has *** an eternity for one with mind or for realities
Rather, every individual is preceded by an individual *** before it, forever, without calculation
And the like of this, every individual is *** created "
The Shaykh : It is, and the like of this.
The reader: And the like of this, every individual is created
The Shaykh : No, it is "mal," and the like of this
The reader: "And the like of this, it is mal***hooq ".
The Shaykh : Every individual is mal***hooq
The reader: "And the like of this, every individual is mal***hooq by an individual after it, two rulings
The species and the individual are preceded and mal***, and every one of them is from it, so it is
And the species does not perish at the end, so it does *** not perish likewise at the beginning, by explanation
And the succession of moments is a fixed matter *** in the mind, and it is so in the realities
So if you deny this and say the first of *** the moments is a beginning without denial
That moment was not seen as preceded *** except by denying its existence
That moment was not seen as preceded "
The Shaykh : The moment, the moment.
The reader: "That moment was not seen as preceded *** except by denying its true existence
It is said, what do you mean by moments? Do *** you mean the duration of these times
From the time of the creation of the highest heavens, *** the earth, the spheres, and the two moons
And we think you mean that, and there was *** nothing of the creations before it
Has there come to you in that any report, and any *** text, and any reason, and any proof
This Book and these reports, *** and the rational in the innate dispositions "
The Shaykh : in
The reader: "This Book and these reports and the***rational in the innate dispositions and the minds
We judge you by what you wish *** from it, for all truth is in clarification "
The Shaykh : With us, so rule, copy, remove the copy: so the rule of truth
The reader: "Or is not the creation of the universe in the days li***ke that, and that is taken from the Qur'an
Or is not that time a duration *** for the occurrence of something, and it is the very time
So the reality of times is the relation of an occurrence *** to other than it, that is the reality of times
And look at the report of precedence for the determination and the***timing before all that has realities "
The student: And mention, O Shaykh?
The Shaykh : Yes, and mention.
The student: He said: And look
The Shaykh : Yes, yes, and mention
The reader: "And mention the report of precedence for the determination and the***timing before all that has realities
Fifty thousand years, counted by the chosen one, *** preceding that of the creations
This, and the Throne of the Lord above the water, *** before the years by a duration and time
And people differ regarding the Pen that *** wrote the decree with, from the Judge
Was it before the Throne or is it after it? *** Two opinions according to Abu al-'Ala al-Hamdani
And the truth is that the Throne is before, because *** before the writing it had pillars
And the writing of the noble Pen followed *** its creation without "
The Shaykh : Followed, followed?
The reader: Yes, yes.
The Shaykh : Yes, yes, and what is after it?
The reader: Its creation?
The Shaykh : Its creation.
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Yes?
The student: Did it write the decree or was the decree written?
The Shaykh : Where?
The student: The verse before it, and people differ
The Shaykh : Was the decree written
The reader: "And the writing of the noble Pen followed *** its creation without a separation of time
When Allah proved it, He said, write thus, *** so it became, by the command of Allah, in motion
So it ran with what is to be, forever, until *** the Day of Meeting, by the power of the Most Merciful
Was the Lord of the Throne, Exalted is His Majesty, *** before this weak and deficient
Or has He not ceased to have power, and the act*** is possible "
The Shaykh : Huh? Or has He not, or has He not ceased
The reader: "Or has He not ceased to have power, and the act*** is possible "
The Shaykh : No, and the act is pos***
The reader: "Or has He not ceased to have power, and the act is pos***sible for Him forever, and it is possible
So if you ask and say, what is this that *** led them to this disagreement, this clarification
And for what reason did they not say that He, *** Exalted is He, is permanent in doing good
So know that when the people founded *** the principle of discourse, they were blind to the Qur'an
And to the Hadith and the requirement of reason, and *** to the fitrah of the Most Merciful and the proof
And they built their rules upon it, so it led them *** by force to denial and falsehood
Denying the standing of every occurring matter *** with the Lord, fearing the sequence of realities
So that would block for them, in their claim, *** the establishment of the Maker of these creations
Since they established it by the fact that bodies are *** occurring, so they do not separate from occurrence
So if occurrences are sequenced, there is *** no proof for their occurrence at that time
So for this reason, they said the sequence is false, *** and the body does not lack occurrence
So it is valid then, the occurrence of the body from *** this proof, by clear evidence
These are the limits for the feet of people *** in this narrow station, the enclosures
So who will bring a clear opening *** that saves people from the depths of confusion
So Allah will reward him what he deserves, *** from the Garden of Refuge with the Pleasure "