(Explanation of three possibilities regarding the implication of their statement) It is said: Does reason entail ascribing a body to Allah, or does the rational mind deny it, just as it denies deficiency? If you say it denies it, then deny these *** attributes and disavow the Qur'an.
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The Shaykh :" It is said: Does reason entail ascribing a body to Allah, or does the *** rational mind deny it, just as it denies deficiency?
If you say it denies it, then deny these *** attributes "
If you mean that we deny deficiency and deny ascribing a body to Allah, then deny these attributes. What are these attributes? I mean the attributes that they affirmed and claimed that reason indicated them, along with the apparent meaning of the Qur'an.
" Then deny these *** attributes and disavow the Qur'an "
This is one possibility.
" Or if you say we deny it " Or if you say, here.
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Not before it. " Or if you say we deny it "
" Then deny these *** attributes and disavow the Qur'an.
Or if you say we judge by affirming it for Him *** then to what meanings is your escape from them "
I mean, you say we judge by affirming ascribing a body to Allah. To what meanings is your escape from these attributes that you denied? Since you have judged by ascribing a body to Allah, and even if it is necessitated by the attributes you affirmed, to what meanings is your escape from them, from these attributes that you denied?
" Or if you say " This is the third. " We deny it in one attribute and *** do not deny it in another attribute without proof "
And this is what they say. They say: We deny ascribing a body to Allah in one attribute and do not deny it in another attribute. So in the attributes that we affirm, even if they necessitate ascribing a body to Allah, we affirm them. And in the attributes that we deny, we deny ascribing a body to Allah. So how many possibilities are there now? Three. Either they affirm ascribing a body to Allah in all the attributes and commit to affirming the attributes. Or they deny ascribing a body to Allah and commit to what? To denying all the attributes. Or they say we deny ascribing a body to Allah in some attributes and do not deny it in others. So in the attributes that we affirmed, we do not deny ascribing a body to Allah, and in the attributes that we denied, we deny ascribing a body to Allah.
If you say it denies it, then deny these *** attributes "
If you mean that we deny deficiency and deny ascribing a body to Allah, then deny these attributes. What are these attributes? I mean the attributes that they affirmed and claimed that reason indicated them, along with the apparent meaning of the Qur'an.
" Then deny these *** attributes and disavow the Qur'an "
This is one possibility.
" Or if you say we deny it " Or if you say, here.
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Not before it. " Or if you say we deny it "
" Then deny these *** attributes and disavow the Qur'an.
Or if you say we judge by affirming it for Him *** then to what meanings is your escape from them "
I mean, you say we judge by affirming ascribing a body to Allah. To what meanings is your escape from these attributes that you denied? Since you have judged by ascribing a body to Allah, and even if it is necessitated by the attributes you affirmed, to what meanings is your escape from them, from these attributes that you denied?
" Or if you say " This is the third. " We deny it in one attribute and *** do not deny it in another attribute without proof "
And this is what they say. They say: We deny ascribing a body to Allah in one attribute and do not deny it in another attribute. So in the attributes that we affirm, even if they necessitate ascribing a body to Allah, we affirm them. And in the attributes that we deny, we deny ascribing a body to Allah. So how many possibilities are there now? Three. Either they affirm ascribing a body to Allah in all the attributes and commit to affirming the attributes. Or they deny ascribing a body to Allah and commit to what? To denying all the attributes. Or they say we deny ascribing a body to Allah in some attributes and do not deny it in others. So in the attributes that we affirmed, we do not deny ascribing a body to Allah, and in the attributes that we denied, we deny ascribing a body to Allah.