Is it correct for some people to say "Moderate yourselves" after the prayer to those who raise their voices in dhikr?
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The questioner : Some people say "Moderate yourselves" after the prayer, [saying] do not recite the tasbih in a loud voice. What is the response to them?
The Shaykh : The response to them is the hadith: They were with the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) on a journey, and they would glorify and praise Allah, raising their voices. This was because the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) did not know when he had finished his prayer except by the takbir. And raising the voice in dhikr after the prayer was the practice during his time.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : We say, first, bring the evidence. Second, the situation the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) mentioned was on a journey, not in the prayer.
The questioner : They say this was in his last expedition.Sahih al-Bukhari 2992
The Shaykh : When was the last expedition? What year?
The questioner : The sixth year.
The Shaykh : No, the ninth. The ninth year. The Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) was alive for three more years, and the people were raising their voices in dhikr after the prayer. But this indicates blind fanaticism. This is of the fanaticism that some scholars have been afflicted with. We ask Allah for safety. The hadith is authentic and explicit, specific to the prayer: raising the voice in dhikr during the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). And we go and bring something the Messenger said on a journey. There is no doubt that they are straining themselves [in their interpretation]. In the prayer, they are not straining themselves, because his saying means "be gentle with it," which means they were raising their voices with great intensity. I remember Allah in my heart and I remember Allah with my tongue, and I humiliate your nose. Yes, Salim, listen to Salim.
The Shaykh : The response to them is the hadith: They were with the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) on a journey, and they would glorify and praise Allah, raising their voices. This was because the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) did not know when he had finished his prayer except by the takbir. And raising the voice in dhikr after the prayer was the practice during his time.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : We say, first, bring the evidence. Second, the situation the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) mentioned was on a journey, not in the prayer.
The questioner : They say this was in his last expedition.
O people! Be merciful to yourselves (i.e. don't raise your voice), for you are not calling a deaf or an absent one
يا أيها الناس اربعوا على أنفسكم فإنكم لا تدعون أصم ولا غائبThe Shaykh : When was the last expedition? What year?
The questioner : The sixth year.
The Shaykh : No, the ninth. The ninth year. The Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) was alive for three more years, and the people were raising their voices in dhikr after the prayer. But this indicates blind fanaticism. This is of the fanaticism that some scholars have been afflicted with. We ask Allah for safety. The hadith is authentic and explicit, specific to the prayer: raising the voice in dhikr during the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). And we go and bring something the Messenger said on a journey. There is no doubt that they are straining themselves [in their interpretation]. In the prayer, they are not straining themselves, because his saying