A discussion on reconciling Jabir’s (may Allah be pleased with him) hadith regarding the matter of ‘Abd Allah ibn Abi wearing the Prophet’s (peace and blessings be upon him) shirt after his burial, with Ibn ‘Umar’s hadith regarding dressing him in it before burial.
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The student: ... It is difficult for him that he was placed in the grave.
The Shaykh : Yes?
The student: That he was placed in the grave.
The Shaykh : Yes, indeed.
The student: ... .
The Shaykh : He was placed in the grave, just as Ibn Hajar said that his family hastened in that matter; perhaps they did not know about ‘Abd Allah ibn Abi and his taking the shirt.
The student: They buried him without ... without.
The Shaykh : No, with a shroud, but that does not prevent him from having the shroud that people usually use, and then the shirt being put on him with it.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : In any case, yes?
The student: Some of the narrations.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student: ... Did he place it in the grave?
The Shaykh : He placed him in the grave, then he was ordered to be taken out, meaning he did not say he was buried; he was placed in the grave, and the Messenger came before his burial was completed. Yes? Yes, indeed.
The student: He means he said ... and dressed him ...
The Shaykh : His shirt.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student: ... The number of things the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) did to him, meaning whether he dressed him or he was dressed before.
The Shaykh : Who dressed him?
The student: Perhaps ‘Abd Allah, his son, dressed him, but when ... the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) blew into him from his saliva, he also honored him and dressed him in his shirt.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : This is the third aspect: the conjunction "wa" (and) does not necessarily imply simultaneity. Yes.
The student: Is it not possible, O Shaykh, to say that Ibn ‘Umar’s hadith remains as it appears on its surface?
The Shaykh : Regarding what?
The student: ... The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and dressed him ... meaning the shirt and ... the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) came and placed for him ... and blew into him, then dressed him.
The Shaykh : Meaning he removed the shirt first, second, meaning second?
The questioner : Then dressed him.
The Shaykh : That is far-fetched; if that were the case, he would have said he removed it. Yes?
The student: ... Aspects.
The Shaykh : What?
The student: ... Aspects, meaning it is possible that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) had a shirt.
The Shaykh : He gave him two shirts.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student: Did ... ‘Abd Allah (may Allah be pleased with him) ask the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) for the first shirt and then come ... for the second?
The Shaykh : What prevents that?
The student: He said in the following narration.
The Shaykh : I say, what prevents that?
The questioner : ... The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) had only two, so how would he bring the first and then bring ... .
The Shaykh : Yes, perhaps he gave him the first one and wanted to dress him in the shirt that is next to his body.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Yes. This is all of it; this is if it is authentic, if there is no anomaly in the narrators from Jabir, because the issue is not from Jabir directly; there are men between us and Jabir, and perhaps some of them differed regarding the context and narrated it ... . Yes?
The student: Al-Tirmidhi’s narration, O Shaykh.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student: Al-Tirmidhi’s narration.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student: How ... he says he came after he entered the grave, and this one says he was with him in the funeral procession?
The Shaykh : If al-Tirmidhi’s narration is authentic, there is no objection, because perhaps Jabir (may Allah be pleased with him) did not see the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) until after he was placed in the grave, after ‘Abd Allah ibn Abi was placed in the grave.
The student: So why was he taken out?
The Shaykh : Yes?
The student: So why did the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) take him out after he entered?
The Shaykh : He took him out in order to spit into him from his saliva and in order to dress him in the shirt.
The student: But he was with him, O Shaykh?
The Shaykh : Yes?
The student: He was with him on the way, so why did he put him in and then take him out?
The Shaykh : How did he put him in and then take him out?
The student: He was with him in the funeral procession.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student: So why did he put him in the grave and then take him out, and he was blowing into him before he put him in?
The Shaykh : You know that the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) is not necessarily required to be holding the bier; the bier went ahead, and the Messenger was, for example, at the rear of the people, and he was placed in the grave, and then the Messenger arrived; this is not prevented. You know that the mourners may be many, especially for a man like this who they considered one of their nobles and leaders. Yes?
The student: May Allah reward you ... these three aspects?
The Shaykh : Yes?
The student: I say ... in these aspects?
The Shaykh : The closest to me is that there were two shirts; this is the closest thing. Yes?
The questioner : The benefits ... .
The Shaykh : Do you have something, a benefit?
The student: ... The same thing, one ... the third aspect was not written ... and these two are the same thing, not ... .
The Shaykh : Yes, well done.
The questioner : And the benefits of this hadith.
The Shaykh : Which one?
The questioner : Meaning this ‘Abd Allah ibn Abi, this ... testifies.
The Shaykh : This was before the prohibition of praying over him.
The questioner : And he said there in his commentary, meaning ‘Abd Allah ibn Abi brought the shirt to al-‘Abbas when he was martyred at Badr, and after ...
The Shaykh : No, no.
The questioner : And ... al-‘Abbas. No shirt came upon him except the shirt of ‘Abd Allah ibn Abi; it was the same.
The Shaykh : This is the wisdom of why the Messenger gave him this shirt.
The questioner : Yes, this is wisdom.
The Shaykh : We mentioned four aspects in this yesterday; we mentioned four aspects yesterday, is that not so?
The students: Yes.
The Shaykh : Yes, fine, that is the end.
The questioner : The chain of narration, O Shaykh?
The Shaykh : It is finished. What is the chain of narration?
The student: The anomaly?
The Shaykh : What?
The student: He has two aspects or ... ?
The Shaykh : And how?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : An anomaly does not occur in the chain of narration, may Allah bless you, except rarely, but the anomaly usually occurs in the texts, and it may occur in the isnad. Yes.
The Shaykh : Yes?
The student: That he was placed in the grave.
The Shaykh : Yes, indeed.
The student: ... .
The Shaykh : He was placed in the grave, just as Ibn Hajar said that his family hastened in that matter; perhaps they did not know about ‘Abd Allah ibn Abi and his taking the shirt.
The student: They buried him without ... without.
The Shaykh : No, with a shroud, but that does not prevent him from having the shroud that people usually use, and then the shirt being put on him with it.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : In any case, yes?
The student: Some of the narrations.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student: ... Did he place it in the grave?
The Shaykh : He placed him in the grave, then he was ordered to be taken out, meaning he did not say he was buried; he was placed in the grave, and the Messenger came before his burial was completed. Yes? Yes, indeed.
The student: He means he said ... and dressed him ...
The Shaykh : His shirt.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student: ... The number of things the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) did to him, meaning whether he dressed him or he was dressed before.
The Shaykh : Who dressed him?
The student: Perhaps ‘Abd Allah, his son, dressed him, but when ... the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) blew into him from his saliva, he also honored him and dressed him in his shirt.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : This is the third aspect: the conjunction "wa" (and) does not necessarily imply simultaneity. Yes.
The student: Is it not possible, O Shaykh, to say that Ibn ‘Umar’s hadith remains as it appears on its surface?
The Shaykh : Regarding what?
The student: ... The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and dressed him ... meaning the shirt and ... the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) came and placed for him ... and blew into him, then dressed him.
The Shaykh : Meaning he removed the shirt first, second, meaning second?
The questioner : Then dressed him.
The Shaykh : That is far-fetched; if that were the case, he would have said he removed it. Yes?
The student: ... Aspects.
The Shaykh : What?
The student: ... Aspects, meaning it is possible that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) had a shirt.
The Shaykh : He gave him two shirts.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student: Did ... ‘Abd Allah (may Allah be pleased with him) ask the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) for the first shirt and then come ... for the second?
The Shaykh : What prevents that?
The student: He said in the following narration.
The Shaykh : I say, what prevents that?
The questioner : ... The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) had only two, so how would he bring the first and then bring ... .
The Shaykh : Yes, perhaps he gave him the first one and wanted to dress him in the shirt that is next to his body.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Yes. This is all of it; this is if it is authentic, if there is no anomaly in the narrators from Jabir, because the issue is not from Jabir directly; there are men between us and Jabir, and perhaps some of them differed regarding the context and narrated it ... . Yes?
The student: Al-Tirmidhi’s narration, O Shaykh.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student: Al-Tirmidhi’s narration.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student: How ... he says he came after he entered the grave, and this one says he was with him in the funeral procession?
The Shaykh : If al-Tirmidhi’s narration is authentic, there is no objection, because perhaps Jabir (may Allah be pleased with him) did not see the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) until after he was placed in the grave, after ‘Abd Allah ibn Abi was placed in the grave.
The student: So why was he taken out?
The Shaykh : Yes?
The student: So why did the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) take him out after he entered?
The Shaykh : He took him out in order to spit into him from his saliva and in order to dress him in the shirt.
The student: But he was with him, O Shaykh?
The Shaykh : Yes?
The student: He was with him on the way, so why did he put him in and then take him out?
The Shaykh : How did he put him in and then take him out?
The student: He was with him in the funeral procession.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student: So why did he put him in the grave and then take him out, and he was blowing into him before he put him in?
The Shaykh : You know that the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) is not necessarily required to be holding the bier; the bier went ahead, and the Messenger was, for example, at the rear of the people, and he was placed in the grave, and then the Messenger arrived; this is not prevented. You know that the mourners may be many, especially for a man like this who they considered one of their nobles and leaders. Yes?
The student: May Allah reward you ... these three aspects?
The Shaykh : Yes?
The student: I say ... in these aspects?
The Shaykh : The closest to me is that there were two shirts; this is the closest thing. Yes?
The questioner : The benefits ... .
The Shaykh : Do you have something, a benefit?
The student: ... The same thing, one ... the third aspect was not written ... and these two are the same thing, not ... .
The Shaykh : Yes, well done.
The questioner : And the benefits of this hadith.
The Shaykh : Which one?
The questioner : Meaning this ‘Abd Allah ibn Abi, this ... testifies.
The Shaykh : This was before the prohibition of praying over him.
The questioner : And he said there in his commentary, meaning ‘Abd Allah ibn Abi brought the shirt to al-‘Abbas when he was martyred at Badr, and after ...
The Shaykh : No, no.
The questioner : And ... al-‘Abbas. No shirt came upon him except the shirt of ‘Abd Allah ibn Abi; it was the same.
The Shaykh : This is the wisdom of why the Messenger gave him this shirt.
The questioner : Yes, this is wisdom.
The Shaykh : We mentioned four aspects in this yesterday; we mentioned four aspects yesterday, is that not so?
The students: Yes.
The Shaykh : Yes, fine, that is the end.
The questioner : The chain of narration, O Shaykh?
The Shaykh : It is finished. What is the chain of narration?
The student: The anomaly?
The Shaykh : What?
The student: He has two aspects or ... ?
The Shaykh : And how?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : An anomaly does not occur in the chain of narration, may Allah bless you, except rarely, but the anomaly usually occurs in the texts, and it may occur in the isnad. Yes.