If the guardian of the student forbids discipline in schools?
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The questioner : The teacher's discipline in schools, if the guardian of the student forbids it...?
The Shaykh : By Allah, there is hesitation in this matter. We might say that the guardian of the student is to be obeyed, or we might say that the guardian of the student erred in this issue, because forbidding the discipline of boys in schools is undoubtedly a great error and a failure in Islamic upbringing, indeed a failure in social upbringing for the society as well. Yes, we might say that for those at a high level, such as secondary school and universities, we might say that hitting them is not recommended. But for small children, those of seven or eight years old, they do not become disciplined by mere words. If you say to him, "My son, do not play, playing is not good, if you play you will not succeed, be polite, be a man," he will shout at you. He will shout at you constantly and not become disciplined. But if you hit him once on his hand, a single strike, he will not forget it. And we are the best informed about this, for when we were reading, they used to hit us severely with bamboo sticks, until the hand would turn blue, and nothing worked for us except this. Yes.
The questioner : I say that children do not differ according to...
The Shaykh : Yes, they differ, there is no doubt that all people differ, even men differ. But saying that you do not hit anyone is not correct; this is bad upbringing, and nothing works for boys except hitting... but as we said, the conditions must be met.
The Shaykh : By Allah, there is hesitation in this matter. We might say that the guardian of the student is to be obeyed, or we might say that the guardian of the student erred in this issue, because forbidding the discipline of boys in schools is undoubtedly a great error and a failure in Islamic upbringing, indeed a failure in social upbringing for the society as well. Yes, we might say that for those at a high level, such as secondary school and universities, we might say that hitting them is not recommended. But for small children, those of seven or eight years old, they do not become disciplined by mere words. If you say to him, "My son, do not play, playing is not good, if you play you will not succeed, be polite, be a man," he will shout at you. He will shout at you constantly and not become disciplined. But if you hit him once on his hand, a single strike, he will not forget it. And we are the best informed about this, for when we were reading, they used to hit us severely with bamboo sticks, until the hand would turn blue, and nothing worked for us except this. Yes.
The questioner : I say that children do not differ according to...
The Shaykh : Yes, they differ, there is no doubt that all people differ, even men differ. But saying that you do not hit anyone is not correct; this is bad upbringing, and nothing works for boys except hitting... but as we said, the conditions must be met.