Did the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) pray the prayer for the absent over the martyrs of Uhud after seven years?
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The questioner : How do we interpret the statement of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) that he prayed for them? We interpret it as supplication. There are hadiths in Abu Dawud and al-Tirmidhi that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said the takbir over the martyrs of Uhud. Why did we interpret it as supplication?
The Shaykh : There is absolutely no point in this; it is not in the authentic collections that he said the takbir.
The questioner : ... ؟
The Shaykh : This is, may Allah know best, a mistake by the narrator. When he said "he prayed for them," he assumed that and said "he said the takbir." It is well known that the funeral prayer is not performed like this after seven years; the funeral prayer is performed at the time of death.
The questioner : We mentioned that if the river of Ma'qil came, the river of Ma'qil would be invalid?
The Shaykh : Correct, the river of Ma'qil.
The questioner : Did the texts come ...?
The Shaykh : They are not authentic. As long as it is in Sahih al-Bukhari and others, and he did not pray over them, it is explicit and clear. Yes.
Then, even if we hypothetically conceded that he prayed the prayer for the absent over them, we would say: if a martyr dies, you do not pray over him except after seven years; you do not pray over him now. The point of disagreement is regarding praying over him now.
The questioner : ... We do not pray over the martyrs, but sometimes we pray for them ...
The Shaykh : No, it is specific martyrs of Uhud. I say specific.
The questioner : ...
The Shaykh : Now, what Abu Dawud narrated, as I said, is that he prayed over the martyrs of Uhud, whereas what is in the two Sahihs is that he did not pray over them. Specifically over the martyrs of Uhud, how do we interpret it when the story is multiple and the instance is one?! Moreover, the purpose of the prayer is intercession, and the one killed as a martyr is forgiven for everything except debt, which is paid off on his behalf. Yes.
The Shaykh : There is absolutely no point in this; it is not in the authentic collections that he said the takbir.
The questioner : ... ؟
The Shaykh : This is, may Allah know best, a mistake by the narrator. When he said "he prayed for them," he assumed that and said "he said the takbir." It is well known that the funeral prayer is not performed like this after seven years; the funeral prayer is performed at the time of death.
The questioner : We mentioned that if the river of Ma'qil came, the river of Ma'qil would be invalid?
The Shaykh : Correct, the river of Ma'qil.
The questioner : Did the texts come ...?
The Shaykh : They are not authentic. As long as it is in Sahih al-Bukhari and others, and he did not pray over them, it is explicit and clear. Yes.
Then, even if we hypothetically conceded that he prayed the prayer for the absent over them, we would say: if a martyr dies, you do not pray over him except after seven years; you do not pray over him now. The point of disagreement is regarding praying over him now.
The questioner : ... We do not pray over the martyrs, but sometimes we pray for them ...
The Shaykh : No, it is specific martyrs of Uhud. I say specific.
The questioner : ...
The Shaykh : Now, what Abu Dawud narrated, as I said, is that he prayed over the martyrs of Uhud, whereas what is in the two Sahihs is that he did not pray over them. Specifically over the martyrs of Uhud, how do we interpret it when the story is multiple and the instance is one?! Moreover, the purpose of the prayer is intercession, and the one killed as a martyr is forgiven for everything except debt, which is paid off on his behalf. Yes.