Is there a difference between the people of hulul and the people of ittihad?
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The questioner : Is there a difference between the people of hulul or the people of ittihad?
The Shaykh : The people of ittihad are the hululiyyah. He is distinct and separate from the creation, but He is present in their places.
The student: The same earth.
The Shaykh : The same earth, for example. Ittihad means that the Creator united with the created. And there are the people of wahdah (unity), who are more wicked than all of these. They all say that the Creator and the created are one from the very beginning; there is no distinct Creator, but the Creator is the created. This is the doctrine of the extreme Sufis. Some of them even say: "There is nothing in the jacket but Allah", meaning the jacket itself, and he says there is nothing in the jacket but Allah. It is madness. The Shaykh al-Islam mentioned it in al-Tamimiyyah. It is something strange. He says: "I am now pitching my tent over the Fire of Hell," while he is on the earth raving. Yes.
The student: Then ittihad.
The Shaykh : Then ittihad, then hulul.
The Shaykh : The people of ittihad are the hululiyyah. He is distinct and separate from the creation, but He is present in their places.
The student: The same earth.
The Shaykh : The same earth, for example. Ittihad means that the Creator united with the created. And there are the people of wahdah (unity), who are more wicked than all of these. They all say that the Creator and the created are one from the very beginning; there is no distinct Creator, but the Creator is the created. This is the doctrine of the extreme Sufis. Some of them even say: "There is nothing in the jacket but Allah", meaning the jacket itself, and he says there is nothing in the jacket but Allah. It is madness. The Shaykh al-Islam mentioned it in al-Tamimiyyah. It is something strange. He says: "I am now pitching my tent over the Fire of Hell," while he is on the earth raving. Yes.
The student: Then ittihad.
The Shaykh : Then ittihad, then hulul.