Did it become established from Imam Ahmad that he declares the Jahmiyyah disbelievers?
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The Shaykh : Yes, Yahya.
The questioner : Did it become established from Imam Ahmad that he declares the Jahmiyyah disbelievers but does not declare specific individuals among them disbelievers?
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : Even if they erred...
The Shaykh : The apparent statement of the Shaykh al-Islam is that even their leaders are declared disbelievers, but the school of thought that became established in the Hanbali school is that the calling scholar who exercises independent legal reasoning and does not follow a specific school is declared a disbeliever, yes.
The questioner : Some of them declare the Jahmiyyah disbelievers.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : The fitnah (trial, discord or temptation) that occurred, but Yahya ibn Yahya says in the book al-Hidayah, meaning he mentioned a debate in it, and he did not see the truth in it, and yet... he was convinced by the statement of 'Abd al-'Aziz ibn Yahya who debated Bishr al-Murisi. So why, in that case, does he not declare them disbelievers when the truth has been clarified to him in this manner? So either one of them is a disbeliever if the attribution of the book is established, or the book is doubtful in its attribution to the man?
The Shaykh : The book is doubtful; many people deny this book. I do not know. The statement is... yes.
The questioner : Did it become established from Imam Ahmad that he declares the Jahmiyyah disbelievers but does not declare specific individuals among them disbelievers?
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : Even if they erred...
The Shaykh : The apparent statement of the Shaykh al-Islam is that even their leaders are declared disbelievers, but the school of thought that became established in the Hanbali school is that the calling scholar who exercises independent legal reasoning and does not follow a specific school is declared a disbeliever, yes.
The questioner : Some of them declare the Jahmiyyah disbelievers.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : The fitnah (trial, discord or temptation) that occurred, but Yahya ibn Yahya says in the book al-Hidayah, meaning he mentioned a debate in it, and he did not see the truth in it, and yet... he was convinced by the statement of 'Abd al-'Aziz ibn Yahya who debated Bishr al-Murisi. So why, in that case, does he not declare them disbelievers when the truth has been clarified to him in this manner? So either one of them is a disbeliever if the attribution of the book is established, or the book is doubtful in its attribution to the man?
The Shaykh : The book is doubtful; many people deny this book. I do not know. The statement is... yes.