Some of the common people, when the punishment of the grave and the Scale are mentioned to them, say to you: Have you seen the Scale and Paradise? Are they excused due to ignorance?
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The questioner : Some of the common people, when the punishment of the grave or, I mean, the Scale is mentioned to them, they also say: Have you seen the punishment of the grave? Have you seen the Scale or Paradise? What is the ruling on these people?
The Shaykh : Say: I have not seen it. Say: I have not seen it.
The questioner : Are they excused due to their ignorance?
The Shaykh : They are not excused due to ignorance, because we say: Do you not say in every prayer: I seek refuge in Allah from the punishment of the Hellfire? Yes.
The questioner : He says: Yes.
The Shaykh : Well, how do you be arrogant and say there is no punishment? Do you not read the saying of Allah the Exalted:[Al-A'raf 7:8] [Al-A'raf 7:9] How do you be arrogant? Is that clear?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : No, he has no excuse, yes.
The Shaykh : Say: I have not seen it. Say: I have not seen it.
The questioner : Are they excused due to their ignorance?
The Shaykh : They are not excused due to ignorance, because we say: Do you not say in every prayer: I seek refuge in Allah from the punishment of the Hellfire? Yes.
The questioner : He says: Yes.
The Shaykh : Well, how do you be arrogant and say there is no punishment? Do you not read the saying of Allah the Exalted:
So those whose scales are heavy
فمن ثقلت موازينهAnd those whose scales are light
ومن خفّت موازينهThe questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : No, he has no excuse, yes.