Explanation of the Author's Statement: And in the Chapter on the Threat of Allah Between the Murji'ah and the Wa'idiyah from the Qadariyyah and Others
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The Shaykh : All right, the author says in the new lesson: "And in the Chapter on the Threat of Allah, in the chapter of the threat, between the Murji'ah and the Wa'idiyah from the Qadariyyah and others"
In the chapter on the threat of Allah (Glorified and Exalted is He), there are also two groups: the Murji'ah and the Wa'idiyah. "Murji'ah" is an active participle from "arja'a," meaning to postpone. From this comes the saying of Allah the Exalted: And in a reading: meaning he postponed it, he postponed his command. They were called Murji'ah either from "rajaa'" (hope) because they gave precedence to the texts of hope, or from "irja'" (postponement) meaning delay, because they delayed deeds from the name of faith. The Murji'ah say that deeds have no share in faith; deeds have no share in faith and are not part of it. Faith is the affirmation of what? With the heart only. As for deeds, they are not of faith in any way. For this reason, they say that the doer of a major sin—the fornicator, the thief, the drinker of intoxicants, the killer of a soul, the highway robber, whatever major sin exists in the world other than disbelief—they say he does not deserve to enter the Fire. He is in Paradise and does not enter the Fire at all, neither eternally nor temporarily. Yes, this school of thought is suitable, I think, for the present time. Yes, they say you are a believer, you are a believer, you believe in Allah and His Messenger. Yes, you bring the pillars of Islam. Yes, the rest, do whatever you wish of major sins. Whatever major sin is mentioned to you in the world, except for disbelief, do it, and you will enter Paradise without punishment. A sin does not harm alongside faith. Look, the Murji'ah, I seek refuge in Allah, they let people commit fornication, steal, drink intoxicants, rob on the highway, and do everything. Yes, and we say, do they break the light bulbs in the markets or not? Ha, everything is a fortiori case. They say, "You are, praise be to Allah, you will never have any punishment."
This is, without doubt, one of the weakest opinions, and it is a cause of chaos and corruption. Yes.
What did the Wa'idiyah say? The opposite. Whatever major sin a person commits and does not repent from, he is eternally in the Fire because of it. He is eternally in the Fire. It is not that he enters the Fire and is punished according to its measure, is it? He is eternally in the Fire. If he stole, he is from the people of the Fire, eternally, eternally. If he drank intoxicants, he is from the people of the Fire, eternally, eternally. And so on. Who are these?
The student: The Wa'idiyah
The Shaykh : The Wa'idiyah. All right, the Wa'idiyah include two groups, and for this reason the author said: "from the Qadariyyah and others". It includes the Mu'tazilah, and the Mu'tazilah are Qadariyyah. The Mu'tazilah are Qadariyyah; they hold that the human being is independent in his knowledge, as mentioned previously. The Mu'tazilah are Wa'idiyah. The Khawarij are Wa'idiyah. So the Wa'idiyah are two groups: the Khawarij and the Mu'tazilah. The two groups agreed that the doer of a major sin is eternally in the Fire and does not come out of it at all. Yes. And that whoever drank intoxicants once is like one who worshipped an idol for a thousand years. Did you understand? They are all eternally in the Fire. But they differ in the name, as will come, if Allah wills, in the second chapter that follows.
The people of the Sunnah and the community say: We do not give precedence to the side of the threat, nor to the side of the promise. We do not give precedence to the side of the threat, nor to the side of the promise. And we say: The doer of a major sin is deserving of punishment, and if he is punished, he will not be eternally in the Fire. Look at the phrase: it is a precise phrase. The doer of a major sin is deserving of punishment. And the Murji'ah say:
The student: He is not deserving
The Shaykh : Ha, he is not deserving. He is not deserving of punishment, and he is not punished. And if he is punished, he will not be eternally in the Fire. The Khawarij and the Mu'tazilah say that he is deserving of punishment, eternally in the Fire, eternally in the Fire. How is this disagreement between the Wa'idiyah and the Murji'ah? The cause of the disagreement between them is: that each of them looked at the texts with a blind eye, looking from one side only. These looked at the texts of the threat, so they postponed the human being and put him in hope, and they said, as long as...
The student: ...
The Shaykh : How? The Murji'ah looked at the hadiths of the threat
The student: The promise
The Shaykh : Yes, they looked at the hadiths of the promise. They looked at the hadiths of the promise, so they put the human being in hope. The Murji'ah looked at the texts of the promise. Better: the texts include the verses and the hadiths. So they put the human being in hope and said, "We take with these and leave what is other than them." The Wa'idiyah, on the contrary, looked at the texts of the threat, so they took with them and neglected the texts of the promise. For this reason, their balance was disturbed. When they looked from one side only, their statement became erroneous. The people of the Sunnah and the community took with this and that, and they said: The texts of the threat are decisive, decisive, so we take with them. And the hadiths of the promise are decisive, so we take with them. Did you understand or not? All right.
What do the Murji'ah do with the texts of the threat? They interpreted the texts of the threat as applying to the disbelievers. They said the texts that came regarding the threat of one who commits a major sin are interpreted as applying to the disbelievers, and as for the believer, no. For this reason, they deny intercession. All right. The people of the threat, the people of the threat, said: "We take with the texts of the threat, and we say the texts of the promise are for those who did not do these things." So the people of the Sunnah and the community said: We take from the texts of the promise what we use to refute whom?
The student: The Wa'idiyah
The Shaykh : The Wa'idiyah. And we take from the texts of the threat what we use to refute the Murji'ah. And we say: The doer of a major sin is deserving of entering the Fire, so that we do not discard the texts of the threat. He is not eternally in it, so that we do not discard
The student: The texts of the promise
The Shaykh : The texts of the promise. So they took with both texts and said: "Our motto is the saying of Allah the Exalted:[An-Nisa 4:48] Clear. All right.
In the chapter on the threat of Allah (Glorified and Exalted is He), there are also two groups: the Murji'ah and the Wa'idiyah. "Murji'ah" is an active participle from "arja'a," meaning to postpone. From this comes the saying of Allah the Exalted:
They said: Postpone him
قالوا أرجهPostpone him
أرجئهPostpone him and his brother
أرجه وأخاهThis is, without doubt, one of the weakest opinions, and it is a cause of chaos and corruption. Yes.
What did the Wa'idiyah say? The opposite. Whatever major sin a person commits and does not repent from, he is eternally in the Fire because of it. He is eternally in the Fire. It is not that he enters the Fire and is punished according to its measure, is it? He is eternally in the Fire. If he stole, he is from the people of the Fire, eternally, eternally. If he drank intoxicants, he is from the people of the Fire, eternally, eternally. And so on. Who are these?
The student: The Wa'idiyah
The Shaykh : The Wa'idiyah. All right, the Wa'idiyah include two groups, and for this reason the author said: "from the Qadariyyah and others". It includes the Mu'tazilah, and the Mu'tazilah are Qadariyyah. The Mu'tazilah are Qadariyyah; they hold that the human being is independent in his knowledge, as mentioned previously. The Mu'tazilah are Wa'idiyah. The Khawarij are Wa'idiyah. So the Wa'idiyah are two groups: the Khawarij and the Mu'tazilah. The two groups agreed that the doer of a major sin is eternally in the Fire and does not come out of it at all. Yes. And that whoever drank intoxicants once is like one who worshipped an idol for a thousand years. Did you understand? They are all eternally in the Fire. But they differ in the name, as will come, if Allah wills, in the second chapter that follows.
The people of the Sunnah and the community say: We do not give precedence to the side of the threat, nor to the side of the promise. We do not give precedence to the side of the threat, nor to the side of the promise. And we say: The doer of a major sin is deserving of punishment, and if he is punished, he will not be eternally in the Fire. Look at the phrase: it is a precise phrase. The doer of a major sin is deserving of punishment. And the Murji'ah say:
The student: He is not deserving
The Shaykh : Ha, he is not deserving. He is not deserving of punishment, and he is not punished. And if he is punished, he will not be eternally in the Fire. The Khawarij and the Mu'tazilah say that he is deserving of punishment, eternally in the Fire, eternally in the Fire. How is this disagreement between the Wa'idiyah and the Murji'ah? The cause of the disagreement between them is: that each of them looked at the texts with a blind eye, looking from one side only. These looked at the texts of the threat, so they postponed the human being and put him in hope, and they said, as long as...
The student: ...
The Shaykh : How? The Murji'ah looked at the hadiths of the threat
The student: The promise
The Shaykh : Yes, they looked at the hadiths of the promise. They looked at the hadiths of the promise, so they put the human being in hope. The Murji'ah looked at the texts of the promise. Better: the texts include the verses and the hadiths. So they put the human being in hope and said, "We take with these and leave what is other than them." The Wa'idiyah, on the contrary, looked at the texts of the threat, so they took with them and neglected the texts of the promise. For this reason, their balance was disturbed. When they looked from one side only, their statement became erroneous. The people of the Sunnah and the community took with this and that, and they said: The texts of the threat are decisive, decisive, so we take with them. And the hadiths of the promise are decisive, so we take with them. Did you understand or not? All right.
What do the Murji'ah do with the texts of the threat? They interpreted the texts of the threat as applying to the disbelievers. They said the texts that came regarding the threat of one who commits a major sin are interpreted as applying to the disbelievers, and as for the believer, no. For this reason, they deny intercession. All right. The people of the threat, the people of the threat, said: "We take with the texts of the threat, and we say the texts of the promise are for those who did not do these things." So the people of the Sunnah and the community said: We take from the texts of the promise what we use to refute whom?
The student: The Wa'idiyah
The Shaykh : The Wa'idiyah. And we take from the texts of the threat what we use to refute the Murji'ah. And we say: The doer of a major sin is deserving of entering the Fire, so that we do not discard the texts of the threat. He is not eternally in it, so that we do not discard
The student: The texts of the promise
The Shaykh : The texts of the promise. So they took with both texts and said: "Our motto is the saying of Allah the Exalted: