Completion of the tracing of the hadith "And the Throne is above that"
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The student: He has a hearing from al-Ahnaf, and al-Hafiz was content in al-Taqrib with his saying: "Accepted", and al-Dhahabi said in al-Mizan: "There is obscurity in it", and Allah knows best, and may Allah send prayers and peace upon our Prophet Muhammad.
The Shaykh : Are all the routes I mentioned centered on this one?
The student: ... .
The Shaykh : And this summary?
The student: Shall I read the summary?
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student: The summary: The hadith was narrated by Ahmad in his Musnad, volume 1, page 206, and Abu Dawud in al-Sunan, volume 4, page 231, in the Book of the Sunnah, chapter on the Jahmiyyah, and al-Tirmidhi in al-Sunan, volume 5, page 424, in the Book of Tafsir, chapter 62 of Surat al-Haqqah, and Ibn Majah in al-Sunan, volume 1, page 37, in the Introduction, chapter 13 on what the Jahmiyyah denied, and al-Hakim in al-Mustadrak, volume 8, page 378, and al-Khatib in al-Mishkat, volume 3, page 1065, Islamic Office edition, and the Shaykh al-Islam authenticated it in al-Fatawa, volume.
The Shaykh : Here it would have been better to say that all of them are from the route of so-and-so ibn so-and-so.
The student: ... .
The Shaykh : Yes, yes, this is important, this is the most important thing in tracing.
The student: ... .
The Shaykh : This is not enough, it is better to say because some of them may have narrated it from another route, did you trace all the routes completely on this one?
The student: Mishkat is not a source.
The Shaykh : Yes?
The student: Mishkat is not a primary source.
The Shaykh : Yes, indeed.
The student: And it should not be.
The Shaykh : You can intend it, intend it so that we return to it.
The student: It should say "he mentioned it in Mishkat," not "he narrated it."
The Shaykh : Yes, "he mentioned it" is better than "he narrated it."
The student: I say, O Shaykh, the hadith "The best of faith..."
The Shaykh : The best of faith, he also took it yesterday to trace it.
The student: Did he trace it or not?
The Shaykh : Huh?
The student: Did he trace it or not?
The Shaykh : He says he traced it, he just wants to write it down.
The student: Did he find it or not?
The Shaykh : He found it.
The student: Al-Tabarani and al-Hakim.
The Shaykh : Leave it, you have knowledge now, if Allah wills tomorrow, the important thing is that if Allah wills this must be said: all of them are from the route of so-and-so.
The student: ... .
The Shaykh : It does not contradict, better.
The student: And the Shaykh al-Islam authenticated it in al-Fatawa, volume 3, page 198, and al-Hakim also authenticated it and al-Dhahabi agreed with him, but the correct view is that it is weak and its center is 'Abd Allah ibn 'Amirah, al-Dhahabi said in al-Mizan: "There is obscurity in it", and Allah knows best.
The Shaykh : Okay, did he not answer this? The Shaykh did not answer about the man?
The student: The Shaykh al-Islam?
The Shaykh : What?
The student: He did not deny its obscurity, but he spoke about...
The Shaykh : In what?
The student: Ibn Khuzaymah authenticated it, he authenticated it in his book and he stipulates that he does not include in it except what is authentic.
The Shaykh : Even if you did not mention that Ibn Khuzaymah authenticated it? Yes.
The student: ... .
The Shaykh : Who?
The student: The Shaykh al-Islam.
The Shaykh : He says he authenticated it.
The student: ... al-'Aqidah al-Wasitiyyah.
Another student: In the first volume?
The Shaykh : Yes?
The student: The first research said in the first volume, and here he said in the third?
The Shaykh : No, no.
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : What does it say?
The student: He said in the first volume, and here he says in the third.
The Shaykh : No, no.
The student: The brothers agree with me.
The Shaykh : Okay, let us see. In the third.
The student: Meaning the first one does not exist? A slip of the tongue?
The Shaykh : It is not in the volume.
The student: ... .
The Shaykh : No, we need to see the Shaykh al-Islam's words, this is not enough, the Shaykh must answer about the narrator, otherwise? He does not authenticate it and does not answer about the narrator at all.
The student: This is an argument... for authentication.
The Shaykh : So the research needs verification.
The student: I was afraid of lengthening it.
The Shaykh : No, but something like this is important because a man like the Shaykh al-Islam says it is authentic and there is this man in it, that is far-fetched, yes.
The student: Shaykh, the Shaykh al-Islam?
The Shaykh : Yes, indeed.
The Shaykh : Are all the routes I mentioned centered on this one?
The student: ... .
The Shaykh : And this summary?
The student: Shall I read the summary?
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student: The summary: The hadith was narrated by Ahmad in his Musnad, volume 1, page 206, and Abu Dawud in al-Sunan, volume 4, page 231, in the Book of the Sunnah, chapter on the Jahmiyyah, and al-Tirmidhi in al-Sunan, volume 5, page 424, in the Book of Tafsir, chapter 62 of Surat al-Haqqah, and Ibn Majah in al-Sunan, volume 1, page 37, in the Introduction, chapter 13 on what the Jahmiyyah denied, and al-Hakim in al-Mustadrak, volume 8, page 378, and al-Khatib in al-Mishkat, volume 3, page 1065, Islamic Office edition, and the Shaykh al-Islam authenticated it in al-Fatawa, volume.
The Shaykh : Here it would have been better to say that all of them are from the route of so-and-so ibn so-and-so.
The student: ... .
The Shaykh : Yes, yes, this is important, this is the most important thing in tracing.
The student: ... .
The Shaykh : This is not enough, it is better to say because some of them may have narrated it from another route, did you trace all the routes completely on this one?
The student: Mishkat is not a source.
The Shaykh : Yes?
The student: Mishkat is not a primary source.
The Shaykh : Yes, indeed.
The student: And it should not be.
The Shaykh : You can intend it, intend it so that we return to it.
The student: It should say "he mentioned it in Mishkat," not "he narrated it."
The Shaykh : Yes, "he mentioned it" is better than "he narrated it."
The student: I say, O Shaykh, the hadith "The best of faith..."
The Shaykh : The best of faith, he also took it yesterday to trace it.
The student: Did he trace it or not?
The Shaykh : Huh?
The student: Did he trace it or not?
The Shaykh : He says he traced it, he just wants to write it down.
The student: Did he find it or not?
The Shaykh : He found it.
The student: Al-Tabarani and al-Hakim.
The Shaykh : Leave it, you have knowledge now, if Allah wills tomorrow, the important thing is that if Allah wills this must be said: all of them are from the route of so-and-so.
The student: ... .
The Shaykh : It does not contradict, better.
The student: And the Shaykh al-Islam authenticated it in al-Fatawa, volume 3, page 198, and al-Hakim also authenticated it and al-Dhahabi agreed with him, but the correct view is that it is weak and its center is 'Abd Allah ibn 'Amirah, al-Dhahabi said in al-Mizan: "There is obscurity in it", and Allah knows best.
The Shaykh : Okay, did he not answer this? The Shaykh did not answer about the man?
The student: The Shaykh al-Islam?
The Shaykh : What?
The student: He did not deny its obscurity, but he spoke about...
The Shaykh : In what?
The student: Ibn Khuzaymah authenticated it, he authenticated it in his book and he stipulates that he does not include in it except what is authentic.
The Shaykh : Even if you did not mention that Ibn Khuzaymah authenticated it? Yes.
The student: ... .
The Shaykh : Who?
The student: The Shaykh al-Islam.
The Shaykh : He says he authenticated it.
The student: ... al-'Aqidah al-Wasitiyyah.
Another student: In the first volume?
The Shaykh : Yes?
The student: The first research said in the first volume, and here he said in the third?
The Shaykh : No, no.
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : What does it say?
The student: He said in the first volume, and here he says in the third.
The Shaykh : No, no.
The student: The brothers agree with me.
The Shaykh : Okay, let us see. In the third.
The student: Meaning the first one does not exist? A slip of the tongue?
The Shaykh : It is not in the volume.
The student: ... .
The Shaykh : No, we need to see the Shaykh al-Islam's words, this is not enough, the Shaykh must answer about the narrator, otherwise? He does not authenticate it and does not answer about the narrator at all.
The student: This is an argument... for authentication.
The Shaykh : So the research needs verification.
The student: I was afraid of lengthening it.
The Shaykh : No, but something like this is important because a man like the Shaykh al-Islam says it is authentic and there is this man in it, that is far-fetched, yes.
The student: Shaykh, the Shaykh al-Islam?
The Shaykh : Yes, indeed.