The Differences Between the Asha'irah, the Kalabiyyah, and the Iqtiraniyyah on the Issue of the Speech of Allah
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The Shaykh : All right, the discussion of those who say that speech is not connected to the will has ended, so they became three groups: the Asha'irah, and who? The Kalabiyyah, and the third?
The student: The Iqtiraniyyah.
The Shaykh : The Iqtiraniyyah.
And the difference between them is: the Asha'irah say that the heard speech is an expression of the speech of Allah, and the Kalabiyyah say it is a narration. So, what is the speech? They agreed that the speech is the eternal, ancient meaning that subsists in the Self of Allah (Mighty and Majestic), and what is heard is either an expression or a narration. Then they also differed: is it one thing or different things, and are these types or attributes? As has passed.
The Iqtiraniyyah said: The speech of Allah is the wording and the meaning, but both the wording and the meaning are ancient. When they established this principle, they were forced to say what? They were forced to say by conjunction (iqtiran), because if they said by sequence, what? It would necessitate being created, since the second letter comes after the first, and the second word after the first. So they said: We escape all of this and say what the madmen say, what? We say they are conjoined; the baa and the seen are one thing, conjoined; it is not possible for the seen to be after the baa. All right, people, now it is written "Bismillah al-Rahman al-Rahim," the baa is before the seen. They said: This is in terms of writing. We hear the reciter reciting, and the Messenger heard Jibril. They said: This is in terms of hearing.
As for Ibn al-Zaghuni, who showed off his eloquence, what did he say? He said: This is in terms of reality and existence. So, existence is sequential and reality is conjoined. All right, is there a difference between reality and existence? There is no difference in reality, unless we consider mental existence and external reality, or vice versa, then there might be a difference. Yes.
The student: The time is up.
The Shaykh : Is the time up?
The reciter: And upon his family and all his companions.
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The student: The Iqtiraniyyah.
The Shaykh : The Iqtiraniyyah.
And the difference between them is: the Asha'irah say that the heard speech is an expression of the speech of Allah, and the Kalabiyyah say it is a narration. So, what is the speech? They agreed that the speech is the eternal, ancient meaning that subsists in the Self of Allah (Mighty and Majestic), and what is heard is either an expression or a narration. Then they also differed: is it one thing or different things, and are these types or attributes? As has passed.
The Iqtiraniyyah said: The speech of Allah is the wording and the meaning, but both the wording and the meaning are ancient. When they established this principle, they were forced to say what? They were forced to say by conjunction (iqtiran), because if they said by sequence, what? It would necessitate being created, since the second letter comes after the first, and the second word after the first. So they said: We escape all of this and say what the madmen say, what? We say they are conjoined; the baa and the seen are one thing, conjoined; it is not possible for the seen to be after the baa. All right, people, now it is written "Bismillah al-Rahman al-Rahim," the baa is before the seen. They said: This is in terms of writing. We hear the reciter reciting, and the Messenger heard Jibril. They said: This is in terms of hearing.
As for Ibn al-Zaghuni, who showed off his eloquence, what did he say? He said: This is in terms of reality and existence. So, existence is sequential and reality is conjoined. All right, is there a difference between reality and existence? There is no difference in reality, unless we consider mental existence and external reality, or vice versa, then there might be a difference. Yes.
The student: The time is up.
The Shaykh : Is the time up?
The reciter: And upon his family and all his companions.
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