Do we analogize borrowing for luxuries to borrowing for the sacrificial animal?

The student : To analogize borrowing for the sacrificial animal... that is an analogy with a difference, to analogize borrowing money for luxuries!

The Shaykh : No, the opposite.
The student : Borrowing money for the sacrificial animal.

The Shaykh : Yes.
The student : We analogize it with borrowing, yes, for luxuries.

The Shaykh : Yes, is it established for her?
The student : Of course, my Shaykh, that is the point.

The Shaykh : Be patient.
The student : Please, my Shaykh.

The Shaykh : Okay.
The student: Yes.

The Shaykh : Now, the thing being analogized to is borrowing for perfection.
The student: Correct.

The Shaykh : And the thing being analogized?
The student : For the sacrificial animal.

The Shaykh : For the sacrificial animal, okay, does borrowing for luxuries get approved or disapproved of?
The student : Borrowing for luxuries is disapproved of.

The Shaykh : Okay, so the one who opposes it says about this that it is an analogy with a difference, what should it be, also disapproved of?
The student : Of course.

The Shaykh : How is that? You said it is an analogy with a difference.
The student : It means he supports it!

The Shaykh : It means: when the one who says "an analogy with a difference" is saying that, he is disapproving of this analogy!
The student : My Shaykh, excuse me, let us repeat it, my Shaykh, let us hear it one more time?!

The Shaykh : We say to the person, my brother.
The student: Yes.

The Shaykh : You get married, you do a long and elaborate wedding, a child is born to you, you do not perform the sacrifice for the newborn, what do you say? I swear, I have no money.
The student : Yes, yes.

The Shaykh : Okay, you have no money because you are not able... now the prevailing logic is: since we borrow for luxuries, and this is a reality.
The student: Correct.

The Shaykh : This is a reality!
The student: Yes.

The Shaykh : Do we not borrow for the Sunnah?! Okay, Abu Malik's answer is: this is an analogy with a difference, meaning the Sunnah is not analogized to luxuries, the Sunnah is not analogized to luxuries, we always say: there may be a lack of clarity, ambiguity, lack of clarity in the explanation.
The student: Yes.

The Shaykh : But since the question is not recorded on the tape now, the answer does not give that Abu Malik disapproves of borrowing for the Sunnah, because the Sunnah is higher than luxuries!
The student : Correct.

The Shaykh : Okay, so he does not disapprove of borrowing for the Sunnah, he disapproves of borrowing for luxuries, so the questioner comes, according to what you said, and he says: since we borrow for luxuries, should we not borrow for the Sunnah?!
The student: Yes.

The Shaykh : If I were asked this question, and I do not know if this was the question for Abu Malik or not, I would say: yes, since you, your reality is that you borrow for luxuries, then it is even more so that you should borrow for the Sunnah, indeed it is obligatory, this is our view.
The student: Yes.

The Shaykh : But I, now, we have turned the page, Abu Malik's answer does not give that he disapproves of borrowing for a sacrificial animal, his answer!
The student : His answer is yes.

The Shaykh : As for what the text of the question was, it is not clear on the tape, I do not want to rely on you or on him that this is the question, because I want to hear it from the tape, and link the answer to the question.
The student : This is your right, my Shaykh.

The Shaykh : But his answer, regardless of the text of the question, does not give that he disapproves of borrowing for the sacrificial animal, but I am not with him in that it is not permissible to borrow for luxuries, I am not with you.
The student : Yes, very good.

The Shaykh : In this generalization!
The student: Yes.

The Shaykh : I always say: you borrow if you know that you are able to repay.
The student: Yes.

The Shaykh : Regardless of whether it is for perfection or need or dire necessity, if you can repay, you borrow, otherwise not.
The student : Very good.

The Shaykh : Because we know that one of the Mothers of the Believers used to borrow and it was disapproved of her.
The student: Yes.

The Shaykh : And they say to her, you are not in need, she says: "I borrow so that I may have help from Allah," because Allah will be with the debtor as long as what? He intends to repay, yes, and therefore I do not accept the basis of his disapproval.
The student : Yes.

The Shaykh : But I cannot understand from his answer that he disapproves of borrowing for the sacrificial animal.
The student : If, my Shaykh, it becomes my view now that on the surface of this speech that you heard and understood, that all the people sitting, my Shaykh, in the gathering understood Shaykh Abu Malik's words contrary to his meaning.

The Shaykh : I do not know, where do I get the certainty from.
The student : It is like that, meaning.

The Shaykh : You were not present, you say.
The student : No, I was not, but I saw, my Shaykh, the young men, meaning more than one young man said, yes? Let's go.

The Shaykh : Okay, what is your opinion after you finish, call.