A student’s clarification and his discussion with the Shaykh regarding the issue of what is meant by the Qudsi Hadith

The student : He is our brother, truly. I mean, let me try to clarify the issue, if you permit me?

The Shaykh : Please go ahead. Excuse me.
The student : The statement mentioned by our brother Muhammad is a statement whose author intended to reach a solution to the existing problem, due to the multitude of definitions that have been applied to the Qudsi Hadith. As for the Prophetic Hadith, there is no problem with it. The summary of what they said is this: regarding the Prophetic Hadith, everything that comes in the Sunnah, whether the speech or statement is attributed to Allah (Mighty and Majestic) or to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), they say: if it were possible to distinguish between what is revelation, all of which is revelation, and what may be other than revelation, we would say that all the speech is a Prophetic Hadith, whether it is called Qudsi or a Prophetic Hadith. This is the first point. Second, they say that when we explicitly state a Prophetic Hadith by saying "The Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) said," we are certain that this statement is his, and that revelation revealed it to him, so he formulated this meaning, which Allah (Mighty and Majestic) revealed to him through revelation, in words from himself. They say that clearly, this is the case in this matter, because Prophetic eloquence is not Qur'anic eloquence. As for the Qudsi Hadith, they say that the meaning is from Allah (Blessed and Exalted is He), and then it was revealed to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) to attribute this meaning to Allah (Blessed and Exalted is He) in his words. So he conveys the meaning from Allah (Mighty and Majestic) in wording from himself (peace and blessings be upon him), attributed to the Lord of Majesty. The evidence for this is two things: first, that this is not the speech of Allah (Mighty and Majestic); second, that this speech varies, and sometimes the Qudsi Hadith is narrated in different versions. Then, even if it were not narrated in different versions, we find that the eloquence in it is lower than the eloquence in the Qur'anic wording. And Allah knows best. This is the summary of what they say on this meaning. Did you perhaps intend this? Yes?
The student : I agree, Shaykh. I agree.

The Shaykh : Do you agree that he said the poet? This is not his speech?
The student : No, there is a difference here.

The Shaykh : How?
The student : If you please, let me say something.

The Shaykh : I am afraid he will agree with you, and the sentence is not clear.
The student : No, no, let me say it.

The Shaykh : Or the opposite, he agrees with you, hehehe, hey, what do you say regarding "the poet said"?
The student : Regarding our case, for example: if the poet says something, then the composed statement that the poet said, the transmitter may not be able to change or alter it, because he narrates it as reported, due to his inability to formulate it, rather than...

The Shaykh : Notice something, what is this one saying? He may not be able to, pay attention.
The student: Yes.

The Shaykh : He may not be able to!
The student : And so I want to say something: and I want to reach a result or a fruit.

The Shaykh: Yes.
The student : But if the poet is able to say something from himself by changing or altering it, then the situation is different. Therefore, regarding the poet's statement, the narrator, for example, who narrates poetry, generally the narrators are not poets, especially those who narrated the poetry of the people of the pre-Islamic age of ignorance, the narrators are not from the poets, but they are memorizers. And nothing is clearer than that the poem was hung, especially the seven Mu'allaqat that were known in the pre-Islamic age of ignorance, which were hung on the wall of the Ka'bah, and the near and the far memorized it. And the poet would place it so that he could pass it through the trial of alteration and change, where someone might criticize a letter or a word or a phrase, so he would return to refine it again. Therefore, regarding poetry, without exception, we cannot attribute the poetry to its author, because it is generally said so. But this matter is different, may Allah bless you, it is different from what is called the Qudsi Hadith, especially since we find the variation clear between the speech of Allah (Mighty and Majestic) and the speech attributed to the Lord of Majesty on the tongue of His Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him).