Continuation of the explanation of the verse: "And like Zayd, add and open the one from *** like Ayyad ibn Sa'id, do not weaken."

The Shaykh : If what comes before "ibn" is not a proper name, it is built on the dammah (raised vowel), and if what comes after "ibn" is not a proper name, it is likewise built on the dammah. Is that clear?
The student: Yes.

The Shaykh : Now, if I say: "O Zayd, companion of Zayd," is it permissible? We say: "O Zayd, companion of Zayd"?
The student: No.

The Shaykh : Why?
The student: Because there is no "ibn."

The Shaykh : Because there is no "ibn" between the two proper names; there is no "ibn" between two proper names. I am saying: "O Zayd, companion of 'Amr," and what is required for Zayd here?
The student: With the dammah.

The Shaykh : It is built on the dammah, and it is not permissible for us to say: "O Zayd, companion of 'Amr" with a fathah (open vowel); it is not permissible, because we do not have an "ibn" between two proper names. So if there is an "ibn" between two proper names, then it is not allowed.
The student: Allow me, O Shaykh: And what about "bint" (daughter)?

The Shaykh : And "bint" is like it, yes, it is like it.
The student: ...

The Shaykh : Now, O Nasr, it is not permissible to build it on the dammah because it is a dependent noun (mudaf).
The student: The last...

The Shaykh : Huh?
The student: Are both dependent nouns?

The Shaykh : No.
The student: An attribute?

The Shaykh : An attribute of the one being called, an attribute of the one being called, yes.