What is your opinion regarding what the Hafiz mentioned when he explained the hadith (Seven whom Allah will shade in His shade)? He mentioned a narration and attributed it to Sunan Sa'id ibn Mansur, but in my research, I did not come across it.
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The questioner : Another question, O Shaykh, regarding the saying of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him): Muwatta Malik 51:14 The Hafiz, when he explained this hadith, mentioned a narration and attributed it to Sunan Sa'id ibn Mansur. In my research, I did not come across it in the printed volume of it. Yes, but in reviewing some books written on the narrations that were collected and gathered under the Throne *like preparing the carpet*, there are narrations, but they are...
The Shaykh : What is "preparing the carpet"?
The questioner : The carpet, like preparing the carpet.
The Shaykh : By Ibn Abi Shaybah.
The questioner : No, no.
The Shaykh : What is it?
The questioner : A book by al-Suyuti and a book by the Hafiz Ibn Hajar, and it is... a book by al-Sakhawi. Three books were printed in one book.
The Shaykh : I have no knowledge of it.
The questioner : Yes, so I collected the narrations, or reviewed the narrations, and I found some narrations as the Hafiz said, but they are not among these seven. The wording differs; some narrations Muwatta Malik 51:14 and some mentioned seven, but they are not these. Yes, the narrations differ regarding those whom Allah will shade in His shade. The narrations regarding these people: the narration that came is not these seven, but there is a difference.
The Shaykh : Very well.
The questioner : So, yes?
The Shaykh : My belief is that this narration is valid.
The questioner : Sa'id ibn Mansur.
The Shaykh : No, not specifically regarding the attribution to Sa'id, but this addition. My old studies of this hadith and its routes indicate that the addition of the Throne is valid in the hadith of the seven mentioned in Sahih al-Bukhari and Muslim.
The questioner : Yes
The Shaykh : But I do not remember now who narrated this addition. My intention is to ask and clarify. Since I recently reviewed these sources I mentioned earlier, I said that this addition came in another hadith, not the hadith of the two Sahihs. Is that what I said? Okay, is it from the hadith of Abu Hurayrah as it is in the two Sahihs, or from the hadith of another Companion?
The questioner : What comes to my mind is that it is from the hadith of another.
The Shaykh : Very well.
The questioner : One of the brothers mentions it.
The student: Abu Hurayrah.
The Shaykh : Ah?
The student: I think it is Abu Hurayrah.
The Shaykh : Also.
The student: I extracted it...
The Shaykh : Also.
The questioner : Yes
The Shaykh : Here, Abu Hurayrah.
The questioner : And what came from him, the Hafiz endorsed it.
The student: We found the tracing... in some narrations... in the books... of the six. We found that they mentioned it is in the shade of His Throne.
The Shaykh : In the hadith of Abu Hurayrah.
The questioner : In the hadith of Abu Hurayrah.
The Shaykh : This is what I am asking about.
The questioner : ... the seven.
The Shaykh : The second question, and perhaps the last. If, as the brother mentioned here, that also, the hadith that was in your speech, it is a hadith other than the hadith of Abu Hurayrah in the two Sahihs, now we found that the hadith is from Abu Hurayrah also. Is there any overlap in some of the seven people between the hadith of the two Sahihs and the hadith that has the addition of the Throne, in the shade of His Throne?
The questioner : ...
The Shaykh : There is overlap.
The questioner : ...
The Shaykh : This is my question. The seven individuals, meaning there is no mention of the seven in the two Sahihs, so that route which has the addition...
The questioner : ...
The Shaykh : ...
The questioner : Abu Hurayrah added in it...
The Shaykh : Okay, this...
The questioner : ...
The Shaykh : No problem, from the perspective of doubt from the narrator, it does not become a second one, meaning yes, this is an easy matter. This confirms that the hadith is one, and this is what I told you, that in my mind, this addition is valid.
The questioner : This is attributed to that.
The Shaykh : How?
The questioner : The addition of the Throne is attributed to it, and it is said: it is the shade of the Throne, not the shade of Allah (Mighty and Majestic).
The Shaykh : Is it so?
The questioner : such things.
There are seven whom Allah will shade in His shade
سبعة يظلهم الله في ظلهThe Shaykh : What is "preparing the carpet"?
The questioner : The carpet, like preparing the carpet.
The Shaykh : By Ibn Abi Shaybah.
The questioner : No, no.
The Shaykh : What is it?
The questioner : A book by al-Suyuti and a book by the Hafiz Ibn Hajar, and it is... a book by al-Sakhawi. Three books were printed in one book.
The Shaykh : I have no knowledge of it.
The questioner : Yes, so I collected the narrations, or reviewed the narrations, and I found some narrations
In the shade of His Throne
في ظل عرشهThere are seven whom Allah will shade in His shade
ثلاثة يظلهم الله في ظلهThe Shaykh : Very well.
The questioner : So, yes?
The Shaykh : My belief is that this narration is valid.
The questioner : Sa'id ibn Mansur.
The Shaykh : No, not specifically regarding the attribution to Sa'id, but this addition
In the shade of His Throne
في ظل عرشهThe questioner : Yes
The Shaykh : But I do not remember now who narrated this addition. My intention is to ask and clarify. Since I recently reviewed these sources I mentioned earlier, I said that this addition came in another hadith, not the hadith of the two Sahihs. Is that what I said? Okay, is it from the hadith of Abu Hurayrah as it is in the two Sahihs, or from the hadith of another Companion?
The questioner : What comes to my mind is that it is from the hadith of another.
The Shaykh : Very well.
The questioner : One of the brothers mentions it.
The student: Abu Hurayrah.
The Shaykh : Ah?
The student: I think it is Abu Hurayrah.
The Shaykh : Also.
The student: I extracted it...
The Shaykh : Also.
The questioner : Yes
The Shaykh : Here, Abu Hurayrah.
The questioner : And what came from him
In the shade of His Throne
في ظل عرشهThe student: We found the tracing... in some narrations... in the books... of the six. We found that they mentioned it is in the shade of His Throne.
The Shaykh : In the hadith of Abu Hurayrah.
The questioner : In the hadith of Abu Hurayrah.
The Shaykh : This is what I am asking about.
The questioner : ... the seven.
The Shaykh : The second question, and perhaps the last. If, as the brother mentioned here, that also, the hadith that was in your speech, it is a hadith other than the hadith of Abu Hurayrah in the two Sahihs, now we found that the hadith is from Abu Hurayrah also. Is there any overlap in some of the seven people between the hadith of the two Sahihs and the hadith that has the addition of the Throne, in the shade of His Throne?
The questioner : ...
The Shaykh : There is overlap.
The questioner : ...
The Shaykh : This is my question. The seven individuals, meaning there is no mention of the seven in the two Sahihs, so that route which has the addition...
The questioner : ...
The Shaykh : ...
The questioner : Abu Hurayrah added in it...
The Shaykh : Okay, this...
The questioner : ...
The Shaykh : No problem, from the perspective of doubt from the narrator, it does not become a second one, meaning yes, this is an easy matter. This confirms that the hadith is one, and this is what I told you, that in my mind, this addition is valid.
The questioner : This is attributed to that.
The Shaykh : How?
The questioner : The addition of the Throne is attributed to it, and it is said: it is the shade of the Throne, not the shade of Allah (Mighty and Majestic).
The Shaykh : Is it so?
The questioner : such things.